Monk stances questions


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Hi, guys. I know that there were many topics about monk stances, but all of them are old (2+ months old), and they don't answer my questions, so... here we go:

When a monk enters a stance, like Wolf Stance, does:
1st - He still can make Flurry of Blows with the Wolf Jaw attack??
2nd - Does it counts for Stunning Fist?
3rd - Can he uses Wolf Jaw in a reaction where he could use an unarmed attack?
4th - This attack benefits from magical runes from a Handwrap of Mighty Blows?
5th - Can he flurry Wolf Jaw attacks and "normal" unarmed attacks in the same round?
6th - He must use all keywords in the Wolf Jaw attack? More specifically, it must be a nonlethal attack, or can he use his "Powerful Fist" class feature to do lethal damage with it?

Thanks in advance, and sorry for my broken english.


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1 - Yes
2 - Yes
3 - Yes
4 - Yes
5 - Yes
6 - It can be either non-lethal or Lethal since they have the Powerful Fist feature.


1. Yes, of course. Monks can flurry w/ any unarmed attack.
2. Stunning Fist works w/ any Flurry of Blows directed at one opponent, so yes. Non-fist attacks work too.
3. Yes. Wolf Jaw is an unarmed attack in all ways.
4. Of course.
5. Flurry of Blows can use any unarmed attacks and does not need to use the same unarmed attack for both (so you could choose an Agile one for the second Strike).
6. Wolf Jaw keeps all those keywords, but yes, Powerful Fists lets a Monk make a lethal attack w/ zero penalty, even w/ non-fist unarmed attacks.
Anybody can make a lethal attack w/ a nonlethal unarmed attack, it's just non-Monks get a -2 penalty.

Your errors were minimal and within the range of many native speakers. :)


In short, it’s never a bad idea to have a Monk in a Stance, and they are overall really good.


Wow, guys, thanks for the fast answers!
About the stances, they seem strictly better than Ki Strike this way, or I'm forgetting something about the Ki Strike?
Thanks again!


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juca wrote:

Wow, guys, thanks for the fast answers!

About the stances, they seem strictly better than Ki Strike this way, or I'm forgetting something about the Ki Strike?
Thanks again!

There's no reason not to take both, they work together.

You can use the stance attacks when making the Strikes as part of Ki Strike.

If you take Monastic Weapons you can use them with Ki Strike as well, if you had Wolf Stance, Ki Strike, and Monastic weapons you could Wolf Jaw and use a weapon as part of Ki Strike.

But Ki Strike gives a +1 to hit, scaling damage, and lets you pick what type of damage, with Elemental Fist you can hit almost any weakness.

Scarab Sages

Ki Strike seems pretty good to me, but I guess it depends on your build.

Wolf Stance only increases the die size by one (d6 to d8) and has the same traits as a normal unarmed attack, changing out slashing for bludgeoning. You gain extra crit damage which has a low chance of happening and a better step.

Ki Strike gives you a focus pool and meets the prereq for Wild Winds stance, Quivering Palm, and Ki Blast (there are others, I just don't like them as much). It provides a useful bonus to attack and extra damage that can apply to stance attacks, even multiple attacks in a flurry. It can't be used for every attack, but can be used every encounter and multiple times per encounter if you get other focus abilities.

It also doesn't have the concentrate trait, so a Barbarian that MCs Monk could theoretically do animal instinct ki strike flurries using two actions 3 times per encounter at higher levels, though I don't really know how effective that would be compared to a straight-up Barbarian


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Kios wrote:

Ki Strike seems pretty good to me, but I guess it depends on your build.

Wolf Stance only increases the die size by one (d6 to d8) and has the same traits as a normal unarmed attack, changing out slashing for bludgeoning. You gain extra crit damage which has a low chance of happening and a better step.

Ki Strike gives you a focus pool and meets the prereq for Wild Winds stance, Quivering Palm, and Ki Blast (there are others, I just don't like them as much). It provides a useful bonus to attack and extra damage that can apply to stance attacks, even multiple attacks in a flurry. It can't be used for every attack, but can be used every encounter and multiple times per encounter if you get other focus abilities.

It also doesn't have the concentrate trait, so a Barbarian that MCs Monk could theoretically do animal instinct ki strike flurries using two actions 3 times per encounter at higher levels, though I don't really know how effective that would be compared to a straight-up Barbarian

You forgot Wolf Stance gains the Trip trait when flanking letting you Trip with Dex since it's a Finesse attack and adds any item bonus from handwraps.

Also why would a Monk/Barb be using 2 actions, Ki Strike is 1 action and includes the Flurry.

Scarab Sages

Hey, you're right. I thought Ki Strike modified the next attack. It's better than I thought.

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