Will lizardfolk, leshy and hobgoblins be society legal on release?


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...and the Piper will lead us to Rea-son...

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We were just wondering this past weekend if it was time again for someone to encourage players to ignore the rules and cheat. Seemed like we were overdue for it.

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Bob Jonquet wrote:
We were just wondering this past weekend if it was time again for someone to encourage players to ignore the rules and cheat. Seemed like we were overdue for it.

I feel like if there's enough players interested in ignoring the rules in a given PFS group, sounds like its time for a home game. If people NEED it to give society credit, they could always run the AP in campaign mode and hand out chronicles when those drop (presuming those rules will exist when/if APs get sanctioned).


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Bob Jonquet wrote:
We were just wondering this past weekend if it was time again for someone to encourage players to ignore the rules and cheat. Seemed like we were overdue for it.
I feel like if there's enough players interested in ignoring the rules in a given PFS group, sounds like its time for a home game. If people NEED it to give society credit, they could always run the AP in campaign mode and hand out chronicles when those drop (presuming those rules will exist when/if APs get sanctioned).

I believe they have made mention of retroactive chronicles in this case, so that would be an option in this case. Someone with more insider knowledge than I should confirm though.


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I think I have figured out the reasoning behind the three new ancestries being uncommon.

It isn't to prevent players from playing those races -- surely that can be overcome by boons in PFS or by GM fiat in home games.

But is does disallow applying the Adopted Ancestry feat to those ancestries. In other words, the Paizo folks from outside Golarion have outlawed adoptions by hobgoblins, lizardfolk, and leshies.

I think I now know what cause the Firebrands should take up once they have eliminated slavery.

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Why am I now picturing all of the long-lived races that allow adoptions viewing humans like puppies or kittens when one of their kids brings one home. Elves come to mind...

'Finding Party': "Mother, Father, look who I found? Can I keep them?"

Parents: "You'll have to feed and wash and walk them... and clean up their messes!"

Human 'found'ling: "I'm twenty years old, I can take care of all of that myself."

Parents: "And teach it to not talk back, the grown-ups are talking."

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Wei Ji the Learner wrote:


Why am I now picturing all of the long-lived races that allow adoptions viewing humans like puppies or kittens when one of their kids brings one home. Elves come to mind...

'Finding Party': "Mother, Father, look who I found? Can I keep them?"

Parents: "You'll have to feed and wash and walk them... and clean up their messes!"

Human 'found'ling: "I'm twenty years old, I can take care of all of that myself."

Parents: "And teach it to not talk back, the grown-ups are talking."

Parents: "You have to promise that you won't just get bored after a decade and leave them in their cage like you did with your last pet..."

Human 'found'ling: O_O


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How is this still not sorted out? Why try to sell us books that we can't actually use in Organized Play?

Yeah, yeah, you can use them in your home game; you know what else you can use in your home game? Literally anything. Hobgoblins, centaurs, dragons, space marines, Power Rangers, or Hulks.

If they are going to publish rule books, they should be applicable in venues that are expected to follow the rules i.e. Organized Play.


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Furdinand wrote:
If they are going to publish rule books, they should be applicable in venues that are expected to follow the rules i.e. Organized Play.

Some people don't by a rulebook until after the sanctioning documents are released. That way they never have anything around that isn't applicable.

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Unfortunately, this can become recursive quickly if folks don't buy enough books.


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Wei Ji the Learner wrote:
folks don't buy enough books.

Folks(general) don't need to wait.

Folks(PFS players) don't need to wait either.

It is only Folks(PFS players who don't want books they can't currently use in Organized Play) who would benefit from that choice.

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Furdinand wrote:
How is this still not sorted out?

Because the designers and developers who write the core material for the Roleplaying game are not the people who are overseeing the organized play campaign. The designers are not writing for our campaign, they are creating general content. It isn’t until after the books are complete and sent off to the printer that the OP staff can begin to look at the material. There is also a volunteer team who reviews the material and provides feedback regarding what is/not appropriate for OP. All of that takes time. Would it be nice if the OP rules for a book were finalized at the time of its publication? Sure, but one has nothing to do with the other.

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Furdinand wrote:

How is this still not sorted out? Why try to sell us books that we can't actually use in Organized Play?

Yeah, yeah, you can use them in your home game; you know what else you can use in your home game? Literally anything. Hobgoblins, centaurs, dragons, space marines, Power Rangers, or Hulks.

If they are going to publish rule books, they should be applicable in venues that are expected to follow the rules i.e. Organized Play.

Paizo publishes content firstly for the mainstream users. PFS is a good content showcase, but it's merely a media like others. Delay between content publishing and PFS vetting is inevitable because the process is not as fast as some would like it to be. Not everything can be allowed right off the bat for balance and lore purposes. If they had to write directly with Organized Play in mind, then there's waiting much longer before anything is published. Not exactly ideal ... There's wishing, and how it happens in practice.

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Realistically if you are playing or GMing PF2 you're earning AP, and AP will be the system that lets you pick/choose boons and the like.

As the Ancestries included in that material are call listed as Uncommon it is *highly* likely that they will have a purchase price. Luckily enough though, you don't have to be a GM! Actually right now until they fix the system you technically get less AP for GMing, but that's clearly a bug :P

Anyway, TL;DR I am sure they will be "legal" but they won't be open/free play. Expect to spend AP to unlock them, etc.

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