Tell me I'm overthinking archetypes in character creation


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Hey all, feeling foolishly confused. I haven't bought the books, but I'm just trying my hand currently at character creation, in trying to recreate my first ever character, an elven fighter, and throwing in the ranger archetype to get all that 'nature' type skills with the build-just to experiment.

In looking at things, I have questions. So, I would take the Archetype Dedication at 2nd level.It obviously states
"Special You cannot select another dedication feat until you have gained two other feats from the ranger archetype."

So, cool, whatever, you get to choose a Ranger class feat at any point in leveling your Fighter class, which means 4th, 6th, 8th, etc.

So, say I take Scout's Warning at 4th, and Skirmish Strike at 6th. That means I've picked up the 2 ranger feats, so I can pick up the next Dedication feat.

The next dedication feat is Basic Hunter's Trick (which I have to take at 8th level). It gives a 1st or 2nd ranger feat.

...what? Why would I need this dedication feat? Can't I just take a ranger feat for my class feat at any point? This seems like a step backward in leveling. What am I reading wrong?


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The dedication feat is the first feat that makes you part of the archetype. (In this case, the initial ranger multiclass feat). Once you have that, you can pick any feat from that archetype you want, so long as you fill the prerequisites such as level or previous feat taken. The limit is that you must take at least two other feats from that archetype before you can start going into a different archetype (for example, multiclassing as monk as well).


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You have a few things turned around.

First off each archetype only has one dedication feat. It's the one with dedication in it's name (Ranger Dedication) and is a prerequisite for all other feats in the archetype. Once you take a dedication you must take two other feats from the archetype before you take another dedication feat for a new archetype.

Secondly ranger dedication does not mean you can just take ranger feats instead of fighter feats. Ranger dedication lets you take all the ranger archetype feats which includes basic hunters trick: which gives you a single level 1 or 2 ranger feat. And advanced hunters trick which lets you get any ranger feat equal to half your level or lower.


You just have to pick up 2 feats from the archetype to be allowed to pick another archetype dedication feat.


JackieLane wrote:
The limit is that you must take at least two other feats from that archetype before you can start going into a different archetype (for example, multiclassing as monk as well).

AH.

Thank you!


Bardarok wrote:

You have a few things turned around.

Yeah I do.

Bardarok wrote:

Secondly ranger dedication does not mean you can just take ranger feats instead of fighter feats. Ranger dedication lets you take all the ranger archetype feats which includes basic hunters trick: which gives you a single level 1 or 2 ranger feat. And advanced hunters trick which lets you get any ranger feat equal to half your level or lower.

AH.

What I was reading into the line from d20 of 'Once you have the dedication feat, you can select any feat from that archetype in place of a class feat as long as you meet its prerequisites.' -was me reading the bolded part as 'the ranger class' itself.

THANK YOU ALL.

It just wasn't clicking.

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