PF2 Launch Slate Announced!


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Announced all at once!

Including:

Product List wrote:

## Rulebooks ##

Core Rulebook (also a Deluxe ed.) [640 pp.]
Bestiary (also a Deluxe ed.) [360 pp.; "nearly 400" monsters]

## Adventures ##
Hellknight Hill, vol. 1 of the Age of Ashes AP
The Fall of Plaguestone standalone adventure (+ a flipmat)

## World Guides ##
Lost Omens World Guide

## Accessories ##
GM Screen (Landscape) (also available in Portrait)
Combat Pad
Character Sheet Pack
Condition Cards

That's a lot!

($295 + tax & shipping for one of each, non-deluxe)

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Nice compilation, Joe! Good work.

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I guess the "PF1 will be the same barrage of bloat, that's sure" people owe me some money, since the Player Companion line is going the way of the dodo bird.

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Gorbacz wrote:
I guess the "PF1 will be the same barrage of bloat, that's sure" people owe me some money, since the Player Companion line is going the way of the dodo bird.

I hadn't picked that out yet. That's great!

For folks who also missed this, it's in the FAQ:

FAQ wrote:
The Pathfinder Player Companion subscription will conclude following June's Druma, Chronicle of Legends. Fans of the Player Companions will want to look to the Pathfinder World Guide line for player-oriented Golarion content.


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Gorbacz wrote:
I guess the "PF1 will be the same barrage of bloat, that's sure" people owe me some money, since the Player Companion line is going the way of the dodo bird.

Looks like it's less that it's going away and more that it's being consolidated into fewer, larger books (called "World Guides"). Probably a good thing given that Paizo's reasoning for the Player Companions being a mess was always that they couldn't do proper erratas for softcover splatbooks...

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Arachnofiend wrote:
Gorbacz wrote:
I guess the "PF1 will be the same barrage of bloat, that's sure" people owe me some money, since the Player Companion line is going the way of the dodo bird.
Looks like it's less that it's going away and more that it's being consolidated into fewer, larger books (called "World Guides"). Probably a good thing given that Paizo's reasoning for the Player Companions being a mess was always that they couldn't do proper erratas for softcover splatbooks...

Yeah, this seems like an all-around great change to me. Also from the FAQ linked above:

FAQ wrote:
The Pathfinder Campaign Setting subscription will have the most significant changes. Following the May release of the last P1 Campaign Setting book, Druma, Profit and Prophecy, this subscription will be renamed the Pathfinder World Guide subscription. The World Guides will have the same kind of content found in the Campaign Setting line, but its larger, less frequent hardcover books examine their topics in even greater depth. These begin with the Lost Omens World Guide in August.

And from the description of the Lost Omens World Guide:

Store wrote:
. . . a gazetteer featuring 10 geographically and thematically contiguous regions . . . . Each region also includes suggested character backgrounds and archetypes to more deeply root your character in their surroundings.


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Aww, I'll miss the Player's Companion setup. This also seems nice, though, so I expect I'll adjust pretty quickly. X)

Also, they'll be announcing the September product lineup in a couple weeks.

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Boy, that seems like a heck'n lotta product to unleash all at once.

Good luck, you guys


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Can't wait! I never buy deluxe versions, but in this case the extra $20 was worth it to skip WAR's art on the cover.

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Excellent. That all sounds very good indeed.

I'm a particularly big fan of fewer but larger books as seems to be indicated. That definitely suits me down to the ground.

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Deadmanwalking wrote:

Excellent. That all sounds very good indeed.

I'm a particularly big fan of fewer but larger books as seems to be indicated. That definitely suits me down to the ground.

Lots of interesting information from Erik and James over in the world guide product thread (follow link at the top).

Including:

* 60+ backgrounds
* 10ish archetypes
* "Lost Omens" is the new official name for the campaign setting, which never really had one before
* This book focuses on the inner sea area, broken down into 10 regions which group thematically similar nations
* Will include a full map of Golarion

(Incidentally, Erik confirms in the Core Rulebook product thread that the Champion will have the 3 Good alignments in Core, though others could be added later.)


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Deadmanwalking wrote:

Excellent. That all sounds very good indeed.

I'm a particularly big fan of fewer but larger books as seems to be indicated. That definitely suits me down to the ground.

Came here to say this. Especially... yay hardcovers, they just look better on my shelf :P

Be very curious to see what gets covered and how with a slower release pacing...

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QuidEst wrote:

Aww, I'll miss the Player's Companion setup. This also seems nice, though, so I expect I'll adjust pretty quickly. X)

Also, they'll be announcing the September product lineup in a couple weeks.

Just chiming in to protect my own sanity and say that "in the coming weeks" and "in a couple of weeks" are not necessarily the same thing. :)


Welp, better write this into my budget for August. That bestiary, CRB, and GM screen are all must haves. I like the look of those condition cards and combat pad, but I will have to decide if those are worth splurging on.

The Lost Omens World Guide and Hellknight Hill will probably be purchased, but they will probably depend on where I'm at with my current games. I suspect we will still be working through some old APs I've converted to the playtest rules. It will be neat to see if we convert yet again!


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Erik Mona wrote:
QuidEst wrote:

Aww, I'll miss the Player's Companion setup. This also seems nice, though, so I expect I'll adjust pretty quickly. X)

Also, they'll be announcing the September product lineup in a couple weeks.

Just chiming in to protect my own sanity and say that "in the coming weeks" and "in a couple of weeks" are not necessarily the same thing. :)

Oh dang, my bad!


Does anyone know what kind of gap there would be between receiving material pre-ordered off the Paizo website versus going to get it on launch date at a brick and mortar store? I had a bad experience waiting on my local gameshop to get the playtest, so I'd rather give my money directly to Paizo. But I'm not sure if they ship books so they arrive at about the same point, which seems rather hard to control for alongside a hard launch date with all the variables for shipping.


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Captain Morgan wrote:
Does anyone know what kind of gap there would be between receiving material pre-ordered off the Paizo website versus going to get it on launch date at a brick and mortar store? I had a bad experience waiting on my local gameshop to get the playtest, so I'd rather give my money directly to Paizo. But I'm not sure if they ship books so they arrive at about the same point, which seems rather hard to control for alongside a hard launch date with all the variables for shipping.

I'm in Canada and I'd say its about 50-50 that I get a product before launch day. Usually, if its late its only a few days after. Assuming you are in the US, you should be fine.


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Captain Morgan wrote:
Does anyone know what kind of gap there would be between receiving material pre-ordered off the Paizo website versus going to get it on launch date at a brick and mortar store? I had a bad experience waiting on my local gameshop to get the playtest, so I'd rather give my money directly to Paizo. But I'm not sure if they ship books so they arrive at about the same point, which seems rather hard to control for alongside a hard launch date with all the variables for shipping.

I don't believe that there's a rule to this, but my experience was I pre-ordered Starfinder and Collector's edition Starfinder (tried to cancel standard edition but something got lost between Customer Service acknowledging the cancel and actually cancelling it) and recieved one about a week before stores and one about 3 days before stores.

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Joe M. wrote:

Announced all at once!

Including:

Product List wrote:

## Rulebooks ##

Core Rulebook (also a Deluxe ed.) [640 pp.]

Nothing says "simple and easy to learn" like the largest roleplaying book on my bookshelf.

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in◆⃟ wrote:
Joe M. wrote:

Announced all at once!

Including:

Product List wrote:

## Rulebooks ##

Core Rulebook (also a Deluxe ed.) [640 pp.]

Nothing says "simple and easy to learn" like the largest roleplaying book on my bookshelf.

That's exactly the size of combined 5e PHB and DMG, which the PF CRB is equivalent to. And 5e is dead simple and easy to learn. Try harder next time :)


So... On the CRB cover what is that studded leather thing underneath merisiel's right arm?

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Bardarok wrote:
So... On the CRB cover what is that studded leather thing underneath merisiel's right arm?

... a cape? a third arm left over from an earlier sketch and covered up? I'm confused

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Joe M. wrote:
Bardarok wrote:
So... On the CRB cover what is that studded leather thing underneath merisiel's right arm?
... a cape? a third arm left over from an earlier sketch and covered up? I'm confused

I...have no idea what that is. I, too, am officially very confused. I don't even have a good theory.


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Deadmanwalking wrote:
Joe M. wrote:
Bardarok wrote:
So... On the CRB cover what is that studded leather thing underneath merisiel's right arm?
... a cape? a third arm left over from an earlier sketch and covered up? I'm confused
I...have no idea what that is. I, too, am officially very confused. I don't even have a good theory.

After about 30 seconds with my jaw hanging down I finally came up with...a quiver? That is rotated sharply sideways on her back?

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Xenocrat wrote:
Deadmanwalking wrote:
Joe M. wrote:
Bardarok wrote:
So... On the CRB cover what is that studded leather thing underneath merisiel's right arm?
... a cape? a third arm left over from an earlier sketch and covered up? I'm confused
I...have no idea what that is. I, too, am officially very confused. I don't even have a good theory.
After about 30 seconds with my jaw hanging down I finally came up with...a quiver? That is rotated sharply sideways on her back?

Oh, that's a good theory. I think I recall seeing some shield/diamond shaped quivers in WAR's Pathfinder art before ...


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Wouldn't that be Kyra's greave? The angle is perfect for that.


Elfteiroh wrote:
Wouldn't that be Kyra's greave? The angle is perfect for that.

Yes! Thanks for pointing that out it was bothering me. Looking at old art Kyra does indeed have speckled pants and pointy shoes.


Elfteiroh wrote:
Wouldn't that be Kyra's greave? The angle is perfect for that.

The depth and length look wrong to me. She should be standing with both legs behind that block of stone, not Ms. Fantasticing her stretchy leg on top of it.

While her OG portrait does have studs or similar decorations on her leather pants, they look smaller/finer than these, and the ones in question exactly match the size/placement on Merisiel's studded armor.

Dark Archive

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There's a bigger version on the big Pathfinder Second Edition page. It looks like something capey or quivery, but I can't identify it on either of the new Merisiel pics in the Playtest rulebook. It's definitely something Merisiel-ish; it has her favourite studs and dark leather

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Bardarok wrote:
So... On the CRB cover what is that studded leather thing underneath merisiel's right arm?

It's Kyra's foot and shin.


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Gorbacz wrote:
I guess the "PF1 will be the same barrage of bloat, that's sure" people owe me some money, since the Player Companion line is going the way of the dodo bird.

A step in the right direction, but the jury is still out on the barrage of bloat.

I'm happy to see there is a landscape screen, though. :)


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Joe M. wrote:

That's a lot!

($295 + tax & shipping for one of each, non-deluxe)

Indeed.


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I'm torn on the collector's edition. On one hand, it's awesome that they're doing it. On the other hand, a first printing of a book of that size is bound to have some errors, so perhaps a later printing would have been a better choice for the deluxe treatment.

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bugleyman wrote:

I'm torn on the collector's edition. On one hand, it's awesome that they're doing it. On the other hand, a first printing of a book of that size is bound to have some errors, so perhaps a later printing would have been a better choice for the deluxe treatment.

The first Paizo book I bought new was the Advanced Class Guide. So this is, uh, high on my list of concerns for the new edition.

Thinking of going PDF until the first round of corrections.

Silver Crusade

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James Jacobs wrote:
Bardarok wrote:
So... On the CRB cover what is that studded leather thing underneath merisiel's right arm?
It's Kyra's foot and shin.

Dawww, Meri is like a cat, being all furtive around her girlfriend's feet.

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Rysky wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Bardarok wrote:
So... On the CRB cover what is that studded leather thing underneath merisiel's right arm?
It's Kyra's foot and shin.
Dawww, Meri is like a cat, being all furtive around her girlfriend's feet.

I can see why they're dating. They have the same taste in black leather and studs


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James Jacobs wrote:
Bardarok wrote:
So... On the CRB cover what is that studded leather thing underneath merisiel's right arm?
It's Kyra's foot and shin.

Will her backstory explain her new ability to stretch her leg into weird lengths that phase through stone blocks?


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GM screen as a launch item? Oh Paizo you spoil me so. <3


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Xenocrat wrote:
Will her backstory explain her new ability to stretch her leg into weird lengths that phase through stone blocks?

... Nothing of the kind is going on.

Her position is on top of that rock, standing astride its peak.

About the only weird thing is that she's doing what we called "cheating out" in my theatre days- standing so she's 3/4 toward the front, rather than directly facing the dragon she's concerned with.

I mean, as cover art it makes sense, but it's the only real oddity beyond Harsk being a redhead now...


Cole Deschain wrote:
Xenocrat wrote:
Will her backstory explain her new ability to stretch her leg into weird lengths that phase through stone blocks?

... Nothing of the kind is going on.

Her position is on top of that rock, standing astride its peak.

Look at her other leg.

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Xenocrat wrote:
Cole Deschain wrote:
Xenocrat wrote:
Will her backstory explain her new ability to stretch her leg into weird lengths that phase through stone blocks?

... Nothing of the kind is going on.

Her position is on top of that rock, standing astride its peak.

Look at her other leg.

The one she's using to brace with and has all of the weight on it?


I'm subscribed to the rulebooks and adv paths. I will have to add the campaign setting line now. I'm super stoked to get a campaign guide right out of the gate.


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Xenocrat wrote:
Cole Deschain wrote:
Xenocrat wrote:
Will her backstory explain her new ability to stretch her leg into weird lengths that phase through stone blocks?

... Nothing of the kind is going on.

Her position is on top of that rock, standing astride its peak.

Look at her other leg.

I did.

She is on top of that rock, standing astride its peak.


Cole Deschain wrote:

I did.

She is on top of that rock, standing astride its peak.

yeah, I agree. She is standing on a fallen block of rubble, a foot on either side of an edge.


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bugleyman wrote:
I'm torn on the collector's edition. On one hand, it's awesome that they're doing it. On the other hand, a first printing of a book of that size is bound to have some errors, so perhaps a later printing would have been a better choice for the deluxe treatment.

Those errors are what make it collectable. ;)

Having gone through the Starfinder pre-order, Paizo has been pretty good at adressing egregious printing and binding errors. Revamping the starship action DCs shortly after release... well... they can't be perfect.


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James Jacobs wrote:
Bardarok wrote:
So... On the CRB cover what is that studded leather thing underneath merisiel's right arm?
It's Kyra's foot and shin.

Yeah! I was right! :D

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I must admit having bought the Deluxe playtest makes me reluctant to buy the Deluxe CRB. I should have shelved the money, but at the time I needed to feel better by spending hard-earned cash on a luxury book of a game I love.

So, a bit torn for the real game book, which is admittedly a bit dumb on my part.

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The Raven Black wrote:

I must admit having bought the Deluxe playtest makes me reluctant to buy the Deluxe CRB. I should have shelved the money, but at the time I needed to feel better by spending hard-earned cash on a luxury book of a game I love.

So, a bit torn for the real game book, which is admittedly a bit dumb on my part.

No it’s understandable. They make us feel good and give us something to looks forward to.

I bought the Collectors of Rise and Curse, but not Starfinder. In this case I guess it will depend on a) the final cover of course and b) how they work with subscriptions.


I feel like going for the pricier hardcover for the playtest rulebook (be it deluxe or not) was a reasonable decision. My softcover is looking pretty ragged with the amount of use I've given it, and one assumes the hardcover would fair better.

The issue I'm seeing is that both versions of the CRB will be hardcovers, meaning the only differences seem to be the art and the bound in book mark. And I *like* the art of the normal CRB. It seems weird to pay an extra 20 bucks to NOT get a cool picture of a dragon on the cover.

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When can we expect to see news about when the overwhelmingly popular paperback versions of the CRB and Bestiary you think?

I know putting out 2 version at launch is a big task and I dont expect a softcover CRB and Bestiary out the gate but I'd put money down that at a $5 discount from the hardcover with a bit less art and better organization a smaller version of both these would outsell their sturdier cousin in less than two years.

Perhaps once the first run is finished and the errata and FAQs from the CRB are added to the second printing? Please?

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