Pathfinder Second Edition Subscription Questions

[Paizo Customer Service]

How will the new edition of Pathfinder affect subscriptions?

The Pathfinder Roleplaying Game subscription will soon be renamed the Pathfinder Rulebook subscription. As before, it will contain the hardcover rulebooks that are the foundation of the game, including the new Core Rulebook and Bestiary, releasing August 1. Accessories such as GM screens, player folios, and the like will no longer be included in this subscription; in the coming weeks, we will be launching a new Pathfinder Accessory subscription for those products.

The Pathfinder Adventure Path subscription continues, transitioning to P2 mechanics beginning with Hellknight Hill, the first chapter of the Age of Ashes Adventure Path, releasing August 1.

The Pathfinder Campaign Setting subscription will have the most significant changes. Following the May release of the last P1 Campaign Setting book, Druma, Profit and Prophecy, this subscription will be renamed the Pathfinder World Guide subscription. The World Guides will have the same kind of content found in the Campaign Setting line, but its larger, less frequent hardcover books examine their topics in even greater depth. These begin with the Lost Omens World Guide in August.

The Pathfinder Player Companion subscription will conclude following June's Druma, Chronicle of Legends. Fans of the Player Companions will want to look to the Pathfinder World Guide line for player-oriented Golarion content.

The Pathfinder Modules subscription will soon be renamed the Pathfinder Adventure subscription. The first P2 release will be August's The Fall of Plaguestone.

The Pathfinder Society Roleplaying Guild Scenarios subscription will become the Pathfinder Society Scenario subscription after the current season ends. The first P2 scenarios will be released in August. (Don’t worry, Pathfinder Society Adventure Card Guild fans—we'll have some fun announcements for you in the near future!)

The Pathfinder Maps, Pathfinder Pawns, and Pathfinder Battles subscriptions will continue to deliver maps, pawns, and prepainted plastic miniatures (respectively) useful for any edition of any fantasy roleplaying game.

The Pathfinder Cards subscriptions is no longer available—its last new release was in June 2015. For P2, cards will be part of the new Pathfinder Accessory subscription launching in the coming weeks.

Do I need to do anything for my subscription(s) to continue?

The only Pathfinder subscription that won't automatically continue with new products is the Player Companion line. The other Pathfinder subs will transition automatically as described above.

What if I don't want a subscription to continue?

Just contact our friendly and helpful customer service department to cancel. (See "Need Help?" at the bottom of the page for contact info and hours.)

Does anything here change my superscriber status?

We'll be revisiting what it means to be a "superscriber"—and what it does for you—in the coming months.

If I want to start a subscription to any of these lines and only get P2 products, when should I subscribe?

You can start your Pathfinder Roleplaying Game/Pathfinder Rulebook subscription right now. Choose to begin your sub with the Core Rulebook, and we'll ship it along with the Bestiary in late July.

You can start your Pathfinder Modules/Pathfinder Adventure subscription right now. Choose to begin your sub with The Fall of Plaguestone, which will ship in late July.

Start your Pathfinder Accessory subscription after we launch it in a few weeks. Choose to being your sub with the Pathfinder GM Screen, and we''ll ship it in late July along with the Character Sheet Pack, Combat Pad, and Condition Card Deck.

Start your Pathfinder Society Scenario subscription after the current season ends in June. The first P2 scenarios will be released in August.

Start your Pathfinder Adventure Path subscription in early July. Choose to begin your sub with Adventure Path #145: Hellknight Hill (Age of Ashes 1 of 6), which will ship in late July.

[Joana]

Yay, modules Adventures!

You left out the Pathfinder Campaign Setting/World Guide in your answers to the last question. Looks like you should start your sub after Druma, Profit and Prophecy if you want to get only P2 products.

(Also, the website lists Druma Profit and Prophecy as a June product, not May.)

[Shisumo]

If I want to pick up the special edition hardcover of the RPG, is there a way to do that within the scope of the Rulebook subscription without getting two copies?

I just submitted an order for a bunch of stuff I am apparently already going to get through the subscription rollover. What should I do?

[Gorbacz]

Thanks heavens, the end of monthly player option splatbook barrage. One of the biggest issues of PF1 fixed right out of the gate.

[Erik Mona]

We live to serve.

[Sara Marie]

Shisumo wrote:

I just submitted an order for a bunch of stuff I am apparently already going to get through the subscription rollover. What should I do?

Your safest bet would be to contact customer service and cancel the preorders you just made.

[Zaister]

Will the World Guide books have player character options like Companion and Campaign Setting books had, or will this be the domain of the Rulebooks?

[archmagi1]

Great! I was just about to bump my customer service thread from last year, but you all beat me to answering my questions! Now to start saving cash for all these new releases in August...

[NielsenE]

If I have subscriptions to basically everything, and am buying a copy of the deluxe version outside the subscription, are any of these slated for GenCon pickup?

[Erik Mona]

The World Guide line will contain player character options. This first one includes 10 archetypes and just shy of 100 new world-appropriate backgrounds, as well as some other stuff here and there.

The book after (which we haven't announced) will have even more player content in it.

So, yes, it's in some ways better to view the World Guide line as a hybrid between the old Campaign Setting and Player Companion lines, and it's aimed at both players and GMs.

[Mark Moreland]

Zaister wrote:

Will the World Guide books have player character options like Companion and Campaign Setting books had, or will this be the domain of the Rulebooks?

They will have both, sort of like a combination of the P1 Campaign Setting and Player Companion lines. The exact mix of setting vs. player options will vary from product to product, much like the Campaign Setting line used to do.

[Sara Marie]

NielsenE wrote:

If I have subscriptions to basically everything, and am buying a copy of the deluxe version outside the subscription, are any of these slated for GenCon pickup?

Very likely yes, but we haven't made any announcements about Gen Con pick up yet.

[Cellion]

Neat! Looks like PF2E is going to be following the Starfinder book release model!

Also, 100 (!!!) backgrounds in the first World Guide? Whoa, leave some for later!

[NielsenE]

Sara Marie wrote:

NielsenE wrote:

If I have subscriptions to basically everything, and am buying a copy of the deluxe version outside the subscription, are any of these slated for GenCon pickup?

Very likely yes, but we haven't made any announcements about Gen Con pick up yet.

Thanks. I'll order now and figure stuff out later if that becomes an option/relevant.

[drowranger80]

Couple questions.
Will the pdfs still be included in book subscriptions?
And can I add a sub and also preorder if I want to buy multiple copies. Gonna buy a few core books as gifts.

[Zaister]

Thanks, Erik and Mark!

[Sara Marie]

drowranger80 wrote:

And can I add a sub and also preorder if I want to buy multiple copies. Gonna buy a few core books as gifts.

You can, however sometimes our system can behave strangely when it comes to multiple copies of a new release so I would keep an eye on the order confirmations around the time we generate July subscriber orders and review that it captured the correct quantity.

[DonKeebals]

Is there a process to convert 1ed to 2ed, or are they completely incompatible?

[Sara Marie]

DonKeebals wrote:

Is there a process to convert 1ed to 2ed, or are they completely incompatible?

I'd recommend starting a new thread if one hasn't already been created in the PF2 forums as that goes outside the scope of subscription questions. Thanks!

[Rycaut]

So what is the answer re PDFs (I assume the remain a part of subscriptions?)

also if you are a subscriber currently (and plan to rollover) will there be an option to get the limited edition versions?

[the Haunted Jester]

I noticed that Book 6 of Tyrants Grasp and Book 1 of Age of Ashes are both slated for July on their product pages. Will both of these APs come out in July? Will there be a time to cancel an AP subscription after Tyrants Grasp but before Age of Ashes?

[Erik Mona]

Cellion wrote:

Neat! Looks like PF2E is going to be following the Starfinder book release model!

Also, 100 (!!!) backgrounds in the first World Guide? Whoa, leave some for later!

It's probably more like 60+ than 100. I know that the two sections I wrote had about 6-8 backgrounds. Also, the book is still in layout, so the exact number will have to wait until we've completely locked everything down.

[Erik Mona]

Rycaut wrote:

So what is the answer re PDFs (I assume the remain a part of subscriptions?)

also if you are a subscriber currently (and plan to rollover) will there be an option to get the limited edition versions?

We are still finalizing details on subscription benefits for all these lines, so for the time being we don't have an answer to this questions. Please stay tuned. We'll definitely make sure the benefits are clear well before August.

[Erik Mona]

the Haunted Jester wrote:

I noticed that Book 6 of Tyrants Grasp and Book 1 of Age of Ashes are both slated for July on their product pages. Will both of these APs come out in July? Will there be a time to cancel an AP subscription after Tyrants Grasp but before Age of Ashes?

They are both slated to come out in July (technically August 1, but practically they will be part of the July sub shipments).

That's a good question re: cancelling between the two volumes. We'll get back to you on that once we've had a few more conversations in-house.

[psionichamster]

Will Pathfinder Advantage discount apply to new PF2 subscriptions?

Specifically, I'd like to get the Core Rulebooks, World Guide, Adventure Path, and GM Screen at release. Ideally, they would all have PDFs attached (I understand that is still in the air) and would have the discount applied.

Any guidance on how to go about that, or would wait and see be most appropriate?

[Erik Mona]

Wait and see is probably your best bet. Not saying that to be cryptic, but there are a few tech issues that need to get sorted out to make sure subs work the way we want them to work, and not all of those solutions have been solved yet. :)

[Cole Deschain]

So, legit question-

As someone who occasionally gets the poster map packs in my Campaign Setting subscription and always kicks myself (you guys do lovely work but I never use the bloody things) does this mean my only issue with my subscription is.... solved? :D

EDIT: Also, less frequent setting books, but bigger, better, and more durable? SIGN ME UP!

[magnuskn]

I'll probably pick up the first new AP, unless the theme is really boring. I need to see if I can retro-convert the new adventures easily to PF1E.

[Erik Mona]

We do not currently have Map Folios in the product schedule following the Tyrant's Grasp Map Folio. That's not to say we won't occasionally do posters. But we're not going to do posters the way we've done them in the past, and for a while there will likely be fewer of them in general.

[Erik Mona]

magnuskn wrote:

I'll probably pick up the first new AP, unless the theme is really boring. I need to see if I can retro-convert the new adventures easily to PF1E.

I honestly and sincerely think this sort of backwards adaptation is going to be pretty easy to do.

[Steve Geddes]

Thanks very much for the information - I've been keen to hear what is likely to change and what's going to stay the same.

I'm glad the modules line is making a comeback - fingers crossed it will have staying power. The revamped 64-page format was a real positive change, so I hope it grabs the attention of those who are new to PF2.

I think the accessories line is a great way to put all those "...and also" things. Completionists can just go there and not think about it, but it means those who kept opting in and out of the campaign setting line will no longer need to pay such close attention. Similarly with moving non-rulebook items from the core subscription. Good change.

For me, the only true disappointment is that the campaign setting line is becoming more rules-focussed rather than less. Korvosa (with it's half a page of rules content) has always been my gold standard for the Campaign Sourcebooks - I worry that now that there's no player companions there'll be more and more push to include player options there and less and less pure flavor material (which has always been my favorite).

I realise it's not strictly on-topic, but in the spirit of 'give me an inch, I'll take a mile'...Any word on the Pathfinder Legends and Pathfinder Comics subscription ines? Are they still active?

Presumably the Pathfinder Tales subscription line is gradually moving further and further into the unlikely-to-happen category. Nonetheless, this has been one of the greatest disappointments over recent years. If there's anyway to bring this back (even if it were brought back in-house and at a slower, twice a year release schedule or something) I'd be very, very happy. I really hope it gets some attention from executive (or whoever?) once the PF2 launch is over with - finding a partner may not have panned out, but I really hope Paizo will consider it is worth persevering with other solutions, even if the pace of release needs to slow down. It was such a good thing while it lasted.

Thanks for keeping us updated. :)

[Erik Mona]

Steve Geddes wrote:

I'm glad the modules line is making a comeback - fingers crossed it will have staying power. The revamped 64-page format was a real positive change, so I hope it grabs the attention of those who are new to PF2.

The game absolutely needs adventures, both in the campaign style (APs) and the stand-alone variety. It's a big challenge as an RPG publisher, because their potential audience is about a fifth the size of a book that appeals to players and GMs alike, but if you don't do them you're dead.

I want adventures to be a big part of Pathfinder Second Edition. Paizo cut its teeth and established its early reputation on the strength of our adventures, and I'd like to reclaim that ground a bit with adventures that are meaningful to both your character and to the world itself. That doesn't mean that every adventure kills a world leader or blows up a country, but we want these things to be impactful. "Why are we doing this adventure instead of another one" is a guiding question. If the answer is ever "because the product schedule says there is supposed to be an adventure this month," we need to dig deeper.

I'm very excited about the adventure ideas we have in the hopper, and I'm really excited by the prospect of figuring out what's next beyond the handful that are already in design and development.

Steve Geddes wrote:

For me, the only true disappointment is that the campaign setting line is becoming more rules-focussed rather than less. Korvosa (with it's half a page of rules content) has always been my gold standard for the Campaign Sourcebooks - I worry that now that there's no player companions there'll be more and more push to include player options there and less and less pure flavor material (which has always been my favorite).

One thing to keep in mind, at least on a "per book" basis, is that World Guides are about twice the size of a given Campaign Setting book (128-ish vs. 64). So while one 128-page book might contain more rules overall than a 64 pager, they've got a ton of lore, as well.

And some of them will likely be bigger than 128, and have even more lore. This is definitely the "lore-hound" product line, though there will be fun game tools and character options along the way. One big difference, at least in our current thinking, is that the rules will serve the theme of the book, and that theme will always be something rooted in the world. We probably won't do World Guides that explicitly support rulebook releases (I'm thinking of stuff like Mythic Origins or Occult Origins), but we might include that sort of material alongside lore and flavor when appropriate to the theme of the book in question.

The first couple of these are going to be pretty general and widely focused, to properly re-introduce the setting to everyone, but eventually we're going to get into stuff we've wanted to do (and that people have been asking for) for a long time.

Steve Geddes wrote:

I realise it's not strictly on-topic, but in the spirit of 'give me an inch, I'll take a mile...Any word on the Pathfinder Legends and Pathfinder Comics subscription ines? Are they still active?

Legends is still on hold pending more interest from Big Finish to produce more audios, but we've got a friendly, open relationship with them so anything is possible.

Our relationship with Dynamite is also great. We've just been in a bit of a pinch lately where we need to focus our fire on Pathfinder Second Edition. I've been having some interesting chats around the office regarding where we go from here, and I expect the dial to move on comics again very swiftly. There's certainly no hold-up on the Dynamite side. We're just a little pre-occupied at the moment...

Steve Geddes wrote:

Presumably the Pathfinder Tales subscription line is gradually moving further and further into the unlikely-to-happen category. Nonetheless, this has been one of the greatest disappointments. If there's anyway to bring this back (even if it were brought back in-house and at a slower, twice a year release schedule or something) I'd be very, very happy.

I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see us get back into fiction, and I really really really want to find a way to release the half-dozen "orphaned" novels we've got from when the regular releases wound down a couple years ago.

Consider the fiction an idea that is waiting for its time to strike again. We're definitely not closing the door on the idea of doing more fiction.

[Steve Geddes]

Thanks very much, Erik. I appreciate those responses - to be honest the fiction answer in particular is really encouraging! I was worried that when Tor left you had collectively gone looking for a replacement partner and then maybe lost hope when that proved difficult.

It's great to hear (though, not terribly surprising) that you're still focussed on the end goal. As a consumer, one sometimes forgets you have rather a lot of balls in the air. (If I don't get what I want right now, you people must have abandoned all hope, right?)

I did want to just reply to this. It doesn't really merit a response, but it's just provided as one datapoint in the sea of feedback:

Erik Mona wrote:

I wrote:

For me, the only true disappointment is that the campaign setting line is becoming more rules-focussed rather than less. Korvosa (with it's half a page of rules content) has always been my gold standard for the Campaign Sourcebooks - I worry that now that there's no player companions there'll be more and more push to include player options there and less and less pure flavor material (which has always been my favorite).

One thing to keep in mind, at least on a "per book" basis, is that World Guides are about twice the size of a given Campaign Setting book (128-ish vs. 64). So while one 128-page book might contain more rules overall than a 64 pager, they've got a ton of lore, as well.

And some of them will likely be bigger than 128, and have even more lore. This is definitely the "lore-hound" product line, though there will be fun game tools and character options along the way. One big difference, at least in our current thinking, is that the rules will serve the theme of the book, and that theme will always be something rooted in the world. We probably won't do World Guides that explicitly support rulebook releases (I'm thinking of stuff like Mythic Origins or Occult Origins), but we might include that sort of material alongside lore and flavor when appropriate to the theme of the book in question.

The first couple of these are going to be pretty general and widely focused, to properly re-introduce the setting to everyone, but eventually we're going to get into stuff we've wanted to do (and that people have been asking for) for a long time.

I appreciate this probably makes sense for you. However, for me at least, the lore books that I can curl up with and read cover to cover will always be more appealing than one with interspersed rules elements. It doesn't matter how closely tied those elements are to the flavor material - when I'm reading about the awful things demons have done, I really don't want to run into a sidebar with a sprinkling of +1s and keywords.

For me, these hardcovers are very unlikely to supplant Guide to Korvosa as a favorite. Reading that book felt like the author lived there. It's almost impossible for me to get as engaged with flavor material when it's interrupted by rules language or lists of mechanical options - no matter how close they are thematically.

As I say - it's just one bit of feedback (and it's irrelevant to my purchasing decision - I'll be getting at least one subscription to everything for the first year). I realise I have the luxury of approaching this from "what do I like" whereas you folks have to think about it in terms of "what will actually work". Nonetheless, my little corner of the Paizo fanbase will always clamor for more flavor. Thanks for listening!

[Heine Stick]

Steve Geddes wrote:

Nonetheless, my little corner of the Paizo fanbase will always clamor for more flavor.

I'll just join my man Steve in the MOAR LORE corner.

That said, while I absolutely get the reasons for going larger and hardcover for the World Guide line, it probably means I'll have to cancel my subscription to that particular product line. Import tax is a nasty bugger.

I'll still get the books, of course, but from an EU vendor as opposed to subscription.

[Steve Geddes]

MOAR LORE is so much more succinct than I was. :p

[Kvantum]

My only question is about us remaining few Charter subscribers. Is that going to carry over into 2e, or will there be a new 2e Charter status?

[Heine Stick]

Kvantum wrote:

My only question is about us remaining few Charter subscribers. Is that going to carry over into 2e, or will there be a new 2e Charter status?

Good question! Very interested in the answer to that.

[Shisumo]

Another question: it looks like, if I want to subscribe to the Campaign Setting line, starting with the LOWG, I need to wait until after Druma comes out. Is that right?

[Feeroper]

I know you folks are still working out subscriber benefits and haven't announced anything yet, but a major reason I am a subscriber is for the PDF as well as the physical book. I will throw my 2 cents in on this and ask that you keep the free PDF as a perk for subscribers. I don't know any of the business decisions behind it of course, but if there is any way to keep the free PDF please do!

[Blake's Tiger]

Yeah, between the less frequent publishing speed of the World Guide line and free PDF, I might finally become a subscriber. No PDF? I have less reason to subscribe.

[Jeepers]

Long time subscriber here who has never actually posted before. I just want to say that the PDFs are what makes subscribing attractive to me and I hope that they continue with P2.

[tomeric]

I would like to also say that getting the PDFs is one of the main reasons I subscribe, since packages take weeks to ship to Europe and it allows me access to the content right away. I also use them heavily during prep by copy-pasting text or extracting maps to annotate and use on a VTT.

Sometimes the packages have enough stuff inside that I need to pay extra sales tax before I get my package (which is fine), which can increase the price to a point where it would have been (a little) cheaper to pick it up at a LFGS. The added value of the PDF is what makes it worth it though.

[GM Seth]

I personally would like it if there were a PDF only subscription. My table we typically only get the CRB physical and PDF for everything else, as it's just more convenient for carrying to the game store every other week.

[Chakat Firepaw]

Erik Mona wrote:

the Haunted Jester wrote:

I noticed that Book 6 of Tyrants Grasp and Book 1 of Age of Ashes are both slated for July on their product pages. Will both of these APs come out in July? Will there be a time to cancel an AP subscription after Tyrants Grasp but before Age of Ashes?

They are both slated to come out in July (technically August 1, but practically they will be part of the July sub shipments).

That's a good question re: cancelling between the two volumes. We'll get back to you on that once we've had a few more conversations in-house.

As a note on this point: Just continuing subscriptions on into PF2 is going to come across as something like negative-option billing for people who have decided PF2 isn't for them. So you probably want to be a bit proactive in asking people and perhaps assuming "yes" isn't the best choice.

[Rysky]

Chakat Firepaw wrote:

Erik Mona wrote:

the Haunted Jester wrote:

I noticed that Book 6 of Tyrants Grasp and Book 1 of Age of Ashes are both slated for July on their product pages. Will both of these APs come out in July? Will there be a time to cancel an AP subscription after Tyrants Grasp but before Age of Ashes?

They are both slated to come out in July (technically August 1, but practically they will be part of the July sub shipments).

That's a good question re: cancelling between the two volumes. We'll get back to you on that once we've had a few more conversations in-house.

As a note on this point: Just continuing subscriptions on into PF2 is going to come across as something like negative-option billing for people who have decided PF2 isn't for them. So you probably want to be a bit proactive in asking people and perhaps assuming "yes" isn't the best choice.

Uh, that's really on the subscriber to check on in on their subscription to see what they're paying to get.

I don't doubt they won't send emails though beforehand.

[Vexies]

Erik Mona wrote:

Rycaut wrote:

So what is the answer re PDFs (I assume the remain a part of subscriptions?)

also if you are a subscriber currently (and plan to rollover) will there be an option to get the limited edition versions?

We are still finalizing details on subscription benefits for all these lines, so for the time being we don't have an answer to this questions. Please stay tuned. We'll definitely make sure the benefits are clear well before August.

Hmm I want to subscribe but I buy the books primarily to collect and use the PDFs because I primarily game through virtual table top. The pdfs are the only thing that currently makes Subscribing worth it. I am not currently a Pathfinder Adventure path subscriber so I know there was some added cost savings there and will probably do that with PF2 if the benefit is there. I want to support Paizo and I want to sub but without a PDF the value simply isnt there with the shipping costs. I know things are influx but I am now a bit nervous lol. I would probably have to make a choice in some cases between physical and pdf and I really dont want to do that lol. Just throwing some support behind how much I value those PDFs and hope they remain as a benefit of subscribing.

[Feeroper]

tomeric wrote:

I would like to also say that getting the PDFs is one of the main reasons I subscribe, since packages take weeks to ship to Europe and it allows me access to the content right away. I also use them heavily during prep by copy-pasting text or extracting maps to annotate and use on a VTT.

Sometimes the packages have enough stuff inside that I need to pay extra sales tax before I get my package (which is fine), which can increase the price to a point where it would have been (a little) cheaper to pick it up at a LFGS. The added value of the PDF is what makes it worth it though.

This is the exact same thing for me as well. I'm in Canada and the shipping is pretty huge, but with the added benefit of a PDF copy is actually works out pretty good even with shipping. My FLGS is sometimes spotty with what they get in stock for PF products so I like getting it straight from Paizo, but that PDF is such a major component for me that allows me to justify the shipping. I use the PDF's and physical copy in equal measure so there really is quite an added value to have it. Sadly without the PDF I wouldn't be able to continue my subs.

Again I will re-iterate, I am no expert behind the real life business decisions and impacts that the free PDF may have for them, but I hope there is a way to maintain that benefit.

[Zi Mishkal]

I'm seriously hoping that PF2 will be fewer products spaced out more, with an emphasis on telling the story of Golarion in depth. One of the main problems with PF1 was that there was just.. so.. much. Too many options, feats, etc... from character classes. Extra spells and magic items were always ok because those you could either pick and choose more easily (and there were no "spell trees" like "feat trees").

The Campaign splatbooks were IMHO the best resource piazo put out, in particular, when they took it a nation at a time (much like Basic D&D did with Mystara). Tying them in to APs was also great. The trouble is that a lot of the Inner Sea has been fleshed out and while updates are always welcome, unless its substantial or considerably better organized then I'm hesitant to re-buy the same material.

One nice thing would be to standardize the Campaign books. That is to say have the same basic things in each book. A section on demographics, military, geography, history, ecology and a proper hex or gridded map which fits with all the surrounding nations (I'd ask for a spherically accurate map, but I'll settle for maps that match up). Please, no more Stolen Lands mess! Then have the bits that are unique to each nation or region.

A couple welcome deviations to this would be a book on golarion's astronomy - in particular as to how it relates to Starfinder and a book on Golarion's history (perhaps a historical atlas?). I've poked at both of these topics in the past. There's also the possibility of doing a softbound or pdf "annual" at the end of each calendar year addressing the events of the previous year. Again D&D did this with Mystara and their short "Poor Wizard's Almanac" series.

P2 is a great opportunity to start with a fresh, organized set of books that the well rounded GM would want to complete their reference regardless of the edition they are running. Good luck!

[Saint Bernard]

Does the 15% discount from the Adventure Path subscription apply to the other Pathfinder 2nd edition products?

[Chakat Firepaw]

Rysky wrote:

Chakat Firepaw wrote:

As a note on this point: Just continuing subscriptions on into PF2 is going to come across as something like negative-option billing for people who have decided PF2 isn't for them. So you probably want to be a bit proactive in asking people and perhaps assuming "yes" isn't the best choice.

Uh, that's really on the subscriber to check on in on their subscription to see what they're paying to get.

One: They did, they subscribed to something that said it was for PF1 products and that's what they were paying to get.

Two: The cable companies around here made the _exact same argument_ when they were trying to keep negative-option billing from being banned. Note that those arguments failed.

Rysky wrote:

I don't doubt they won't send emails though beforehand.

It would be just as easy to send emails that, instead of requiring those who don't want PF2 stuff to take properly timed action, offer a quick way of subscribing to the PF2 stuff that matches the existing PF1 subscriptions.

Looking at it from a customer goodwill perspective:

Requiring people say no to not get something they don't want comes across as wanting to grab some money from people who don't want it. IOW, you will have people who see it as 'picking their pocket'.

Requiring people to say yes to get the new line of products proactively says to people "we want to do this the right way" and only creates a very mild inconvenience.