Moderately neato.
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I have a major case of head full of gunk.
On the upside, I am having delicious Indian food in an attempt to clear it out some.
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My kids are making me worry for the future again.
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My kids are making me worry for the future again.
Well, the good news is, neither of us will be there for most of it!
*skips off, whistling "Always Look On The Bright Side of Life"*
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Completely ignoring everything else to post this:
So! Star Trek: Enterprise was pretty good! It had a really fantastic ending (though they really just started playing with the premise sometimes, toward the end; I'm looking at you, Mirror, Darkly - also, unrelated, SAD BABY WAS SO CUTE, THO!). But the final episode? Excellent.
And now, finishing that, I started the Original Series! ... oh, wait, first I'mma watch the precursor - the pilot that was turned down.
... cool, it's got Pike! Weird stuff, but okay! Not bad, and I like it.
A'ight, now, after that, we start this, we gotta go into the actual Original Series!
... salt vampires. We're going with salt vampires. Huh. Okay!
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(These posts were made substantially after the actual watching of the things. Well, technically, I'm watching "Man Trap" right now, as I'm typing, but you get the idea.)
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Hi, everyone! How's things?
Hey, John! Things are going pretty well. My doctor finally listened to me about how the meds he put me on for pain were just.not.working. So he put me back on the Hydrocodone. It's a lower dose than I used to take and it doesn't do away with all the pain but I do feel much better.
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Completely ignoring everything else to post this:
So! Star Trek: Enterprise was pretty good! It had a really fantastic ending (though they really just started playing with the premise sometimes, toward the end; I'm looking at you, Mirror, Darkly - also, unrelated, SAD BABY WAS SO CUTE, THO!). But the final episode? Excellent.
I have to comment on this because you're the first Star Trek fan I have EVER heard to refer to the end of that series as something more than awful. I thought it was a dumpster fire of an episode.
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Hello, housemates! How's the world treating you today?
Doing OK, considering the thermometer didn't go above single digits on the Farenheit scale.
That said... my wife drove me to work this morning. (I usually walk.)
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Hello, housemates! How's the world treating you today?
There'll be a lot of very unhappy brass monkeys heresabouts tonight.
I have to comment on this because you're the first Star Trek fan I have EVER heard to refer to the end of that series as something more than awful. I thought it was a dumpster fire of an episode.Completely ignoring everything else to post this:
So! Star Trek: Enterprise was pretty good! It had a really fantastic ending (though they really just started playing with the premise sometimes, toward the end; I'm looking at you, Mirror, Darkly - also, unrelated, SAD BABY WAS SO CUTE, THO!). But the final episode? Excellent.
Harsh!
I don’t really find it dumpster fire worthy in the slightest. To me it was a touching send off acknowledging where the Enterprise has been and was going. There may be deep lore I’m missing, but nothing about it felt off.
By season 4, they were pretty much just goofing off, anyway. You saw A Mirror, Darkly, right? Fun, well done, it silly as all get out.
The only issue I had with Final Episode was it was a single episode. I would have preferred two; but it was told well in a short frame. Nothing else seemed off or out of character. I mean, there was a solid time skip (3 to 5 years?) and SPOILER bites it, but they knew this was the last episode: It was basically just them saying goodbye. I’d be willing to hear more, if you want to elucidate, but my impression is that Enterprise in general is only seen as “okay” as a series when compared to Voyager. I found it perfectly acceptable. It is worth noting, however, that despite the fact that I’m watching all of Star Trek in chronological order, I’m a “fan lite” of Star Trek. There is loooots or deep lore that I’m definitely missing. As a series, it works, and the episode works as a cap to the series as it stood. The references to the others were nice, as it contrasted well the workings and limits of ST:E with TNG - both limits and abilities. So, yeah, I’ll hear more, I was okay with it.
:D
EDIT: This is not to say that you're wrong or bad in any way, just that I, personally, found it quite fine.
It is worth noting that, so far, I do find ST:E to compare favorably to the OS. This is not to say the OS is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad, but rather it's just... so... goofy. Why, yes, I'm aware how heretical this makes me sound. (But, hey: at least it's not the Animated Series~! :V)
You can read my impression of episode 1, The Man Trap, here. It... I found it pretty funny.
EDIT 2: You know, I forgot what I was going to type here. Wheeeeeee~! XD
Star Trek: OS
So, like... are the entire premise of the first five episodes (including the unaired pilot) of the OS literally just, "men find women hot; this leads to trouble"...?
I... I think they are.
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My thoughts on Enterprise run something like this. Season 1 and 2, they were floundering about with mediocre episodes and an unimpressive enemy in the Xindi.
But the 3rd season saw the show beginning to come into its own finally. More exploration and discovery over season-long spans of fighting one particular adversary. I really enjoyed Season 3.
Season 4 started out really well, I thought. Thought provoking storytelling and "getting to know" the Andorians more (my favorite Federation race, btw). I really didn't care for the T'Pol/Tucker love story. It just made me itchy and uncomfortable. Then they had a baby, throwing Trek continuity right out the window as Spock was supposed to be the first Human/Vulcan hybrid.
But the final episode to me was just awful. Turning it into a history lesson for Riker and Troi was kind of a copout to me. They didn't need them to be there at all. And the going to rescue Shran's daughter in the middle of another storyline just seemed to throw everything off. The episode just seemed smashed together out of bits and pieces of someone's bad ideas. Not only was I disappointed that it was to be the final episode just when the show was finally getting its legs under it for a long run I was disappointed that they chose that episode to be the one they said goodbye with. Sure the founding of the Federation at the end was a nice tie into Trek continuity, which was nice, but they could have explored the coming together of the Federation a lot more in depth than they did.
Anywayz, to me it was just a big letdown for a series that actually had a bit of a future to it.
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Star Trek: OSSo, like... are the entire premise of the first five episodes (including the unaired pilot) of the OS literally just, "men find women hot; this leads to trouble"...?
I... I think they are.
You have to remember this was the mid-1960s here. Stories were written with the Kirk/Beautiful Woman thing because that was the standard in many other shows at the time. By our modern standards, they can come across as goofy and odd at times.
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You have to remember this was the mid-1960s here. Stories were written with the Kirk/Beautiful Woman thing because that was the standard in many other shows at the time. By our modern standards, they can come across as goofy and odd at times.Star Trek: OSSo, like... are the entire premise of the first five episodes (including the unaired pilot) of the OS literally just, "men find women hot; this leads to trouble"...?
I... I think they are.
Oh, yes, one of my first impressions was, "Wow, how 60s!"
It's just... it's really funny.
(Also, the second two OS shows back-to-back were, "person has strange super-powers; is also kind of a jerk.")
My thoughts on Enterprise run something like this. Season 1 and 2, they were floundering about with mediocre episodes and an unimpressive enemy in the Xindi.
But the 3rd season saw the show beginning to come into its own finally. More exploration and discovery over season-long spans of fighting one particular adversary. I really enjoyed Season 3.
Season 4 started out really well, I thought. Thought provoking storytelling and "getting to know" the Andorians more (my favorite Federation race, btw). I really didn't care for the T'Pol/Tucker love story. It just made me itchy and uncomfortable. Then they had a baby, throwing Trek continuity right out the window as Spock was supposed to be the first Human/Vulcan hybrid.
But the final episode to me was just awful. Turning it into a history lesson for Riker and Troi was kind of a copout to me. They didn't need them to be there at all. And the going to rescue Shran's daughter in the middle of another storyline just seemed to throw everything off. The episode just seemed smashed together out of bits and pieces of someone's bad ideas. Not only was I disappointed that it was to be the final episode just when the show was finally getting its legs under it for a long run I was disappointed that they chose that episode to be the one they said goodbye with. Sure the founding of the Federation at the end was a nice tie into Trek continuity, which was nice, but they could have explored the coming together of the Federation a lot more in depth than they did.
Anywayz, to me it was just a big letdown for a series that actually had a bit of a future to it.
I can understand that, but I have absolutely zero problem with it being a thing for Riker. (Troi was there not so much for the lesson, but for the moral support of Riker, who was working through his own issues.)
See, to me, it's not a copout - I can see why it might look that way, but here's what the episode is actually saying: the things the Enterprise crew did matter throughout the rest of history, and continue to directly impact the present. What's more, it shows people learning from not only mistakes, but finding inspiration in the heroism of the past (the present that we've followed for so long).
To me, the fact that it was a historical record was its own validation. Otherwise, it would have just been, "and then <SPOILER> gets <spoilered>" which would have been an enormously cheap way out. The historical record bit shows that, yeah, it's emotional, but a man found a way to handle his duty as well, and the acts of heroism were strong enough to resonate into the future and guide future generations. (The "next" generation, if you will. XD)
The entire drama was centered around Shran, in that case... but I do feel that Shran was the weakest part of the show, and was the reason I wanted more than one episode.
For me, Season 1 was, as you said, a bit shaky... but I find it about on par with the OS (like, really, outside of the "men find women hot; this leads to trouble" - and even with that, a bit - it felt like several of the plots came straight from the OS).
I found Season 2 to be reasonably okay, and Season 3 to hit its stride, solidly. Season 4 started strong, but... it didn't have a hook going all the way through. This isn't bad, but it's clear that they didn't have a powerful over-arching story (structure-wise, much like Season 1, only the writing and acting were better).
I had zero problems with the Xindi. I actually found them relatively compelling as a group, and I found how the whole of them were handled to be reasonable, especially given this was so much before the OS and TNG.
All that said, I agree that I would have liked more than where it ended... but I have no problem with how it ended, given they were told in the middle of filming Mirror, Darkly, "Oh, yeah, your show is finished and will be over forever."
Even though I knew about Spock supposedly being the first, there was no real problem for me with the "daughter" - especially not given a) that it was cloned not spawned, b) that she was kept secret. No real contradiction in canon or continuity: just a nifty little addendum to history.
It's like saying Leaf Erikson "discovered America" before Columbus. Well, sure, but what did he do with it? Nothing, really. The major changes came from Columbus's "discovery" (for good or ill).
Similarly, it's like saying batteries and electric power existed in the library of Alexandria. True, but it was a curiosity that didn't do anything and was reasonably forgotten for a long time.
I mean, it's a thing that happened, but was kept secret. People didn't know about it and when Spock came along those in-the-know kept their mouths shut, and most weren't in-the-know; Spock goes down as the first success story, and it's fine.
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But if you want to see what it might have been like if they did, give Steam Legion by Evan Currie a read.
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I try to like Trek but just can't for myriad reasons, except TNG, which upon rewatch, does not age well.
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I've seen every episode up until the end of Deep Space Nine, but I'm not a Trekkie about it.
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Rag,
I didn't have a driver's license at the time I had to use the bus. Otherwise I might have... but probably better I took a bus anyway. In the sense it taught me something.
That is a valid reason.
I HAVE had long bus trips I did enjoy.
But that was WAY back in middle and High school, when I would take bus trips with my classmates or church group for various reasons. THOSE were fun.
;)
I never did much bus trips if I could help it... Mostly because I'm not fond of being regulated to the back of the bus.
Not that the front was better mind you...just less...smoggy.
But in any case I'm glad to say I might actually get to go to GASP Game Day, John...just not this Feburary. Mom's finally got the scheduler person to schedule her...for April 1st. Yeah...it's weird.
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Maybe March? I dunno. But definitely after May.
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But if you want to see what it might have been like if they did, give Steam Legion by Evan Currie a read.
Ok, Added to my (ever growing) list of 'Books I will (eventually) get around to reading'!
:)HUH, Upon closer look, Prolific little author, isn't he?
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I like Star Trek. Always have.
I like all of the series, although some definitely far more than others.
(Yes, even the Animated Series! I loved that as a kid!) :)
I have not seen the rest of Enterprise, as about the end of the Kindi stuff I was so over the whole "Captain hates these people so much we much hunt them all down' thing. Obviously I missed some important things, and it gets better? O_o
Of course I'm also a Star Wars fan, and a Dragons fan, and a Harry Potter fan,... and,...
Yeah, you get the point. ;P I'm a nerd! :)
I'll tell you what I enjoy, Reading your first impressions as you watch the series Tacticslion! I can't believe that you havent seen them (all) before!
Very fun and refreshing, please keep it up!
Annnd its midnight here, wizzie still has long work weekend ahead, nighters all!
Black Sabbath's albums - ranked!
Thoughts?
(I agree that 'Master of Reality' should be at No. 1, personally)
I like Star Trek. Always have.
I like all of the series, although some definitely far more than others.
(Yes, even the Animated Series! I loved that as a kid!) :)
I will say that as I've aged (and, more importantly, as I've had children), I've begun to recognize and even validate the things that I, personally, hated when I was younger, because I am able to watch the pure wonder and enjoyment my children have for whatever thing I was very much so opposed to at the time.
I still don't like Jar-Jar, but, okay. The kids enjoy.
H'rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrk. I'm okay. This is okay.
It's aaaaaaaaaaaaalll okay.
I have not seen the rest of Enterprise, as about the end of the Kindi stuff I was so over the whole "Captain hates these people so much we much hunt them all down' thing. Obviously I missed some important things, and it gets better? O_o
I will say I'm a bit on the fence about it, myself. Archer's personal vendetta against the Xindi was... well it was a bit much, but the whole thing ends on a far more "Star Trek"-like note, and even during the parts itself where he was so virulently against them, I found myself re-contextualizing the whole thing: bear in mind that this is a "pre-Kirk" era and, quite literally, within his grandfather's lifetime, they had discovered the secrets of warp.
It's kind of like saying, "How dare those people from 1906 not share my modern 2019 values!" and... it suddenly kind of clicked. Yeah, he started as a young, arrogant hot-headed guy who wanted Humanity First (and, honestly, had it existed back then, he may well have been a member of Terra Prime), but he matured as the series went on - and that maturity was both pretty excellent and often subtle, all things considered - and the Xindi were no small part of that.
It was fascinating to watch, and I really started to appreciate it.
It also made me realize that Kirk et. al. were socially "more mature" than the ST:E crew - because their society'd had time to mature in its own way, and flourish.
Of course I'm also a Star Wars fan, and a Dragons fan, and a Harry Potter fan,... and,...
Yeah, you get the point. ;P I'm a nerd! :)
Nerd-hug!
I'll tell you what I enjoy, Reading your first impressions as you watch the series Tacticslion! I can't believe that you havent seen them (all) before!
Very fun and refreshing, please keep it up!
Yeah, I've seen a loooooooooooot of it, but it has been a very long time (), and my viewing was, "When it was on tv, and I happened to be awake, and nothing else was on." Also, I was a (relative) kid.
So I've seen much of the OS, but... I've definitely forgotten it, and definitely not seen all of it.
Annnd its midnight here, wizzie still has long work weekend ahead, nighters all!
Nighty-night!
I've seen every episode up until the end of Deep Space Nine, but I'm not a Trekkie about it.
I'd say that DS9 was probably the "high point" of Trek, at least from my memories. Nothing else really ever quite hit that peak.
I try to like Trek but just can't for myriad reasons, except TNG, which upon rewatch, does not age well.
I find it ages... okay. At least compared to many things that I remember watching way back when. There are definitely cringe-y moments, but it's also got some nifty ones. It was, in fact, starting to watch TNG that made me go back and start with Enterprise.
But at least we can all agree it was better than Voyager~!
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Oh! Also, it's a-dor-able how much higher tech we are - right now! - than they seem to be in ST:E and ST:tOS!
Those old computers! Waaaagh~! So cuuuuuuute!
... cough. Uh, I'm totally manly. Yes.
>.>
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Star Trek: OSSo, like... are the entire premise of the first five episodes (including the unaired pilot) of the OS literally just, "men find women hot; this leads to trouble"...?
I... I think they are.
Dho-hohohohoho~! Changing up the formula, are we?!
(This one was "(robot) women find men hot; this leads to trouble" instead!)
((EDIT: for the curious, this was What are Little Girls Made Of?))
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Theres a reason that for years everyone thought the "T" in 'James T. Kirk' stood for TOMCAT.
;P
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Oh! Also, it's a-dor-able how much higher tech we are - right now! - than they seem to be in ST:E and ST:tOS!
Those old computers! Waaaagh~! So cuuuuuuute!
... cough. Uh, I'm totally manly. Yes.
>.>
ROFL!
(Supposedly) true story, long after ST:OS when cell phones first came out, businessman Leonard Nimoy was one of the first to get one. He was walking down the street talking on it, and a kid points and yells "Look mommy! It's Mr Spock!"
:)
EDIT- Yes, it was a flip-phone style ;)
... why... was... that... tricycle... so... interesting?
Like. He literally called his first officer over to examine... a tricycle.
Also, I have two children. That is not how "the mind of a child" works... like... at all.
(Of course, they're also really bad at figuring out how drunk people behave, so... fair enough.)
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... why... was... that... tricycle... so... interesting?
Like. He literally called his first officer over to examine... a tricycle.
Also, I have two children. That is not how "the mind of a child" works... like... at all.
(Of course, they're also really bad at figuring out how drunk people behave, so... fair enough.)
LOL!
Nowadays, if we see a tricycle out of nowhere, its like, "What horror film are we in?!?"
:)
... why... was... that... tricycle... so... interesting?
Like. He literally called his first officer over to examine... a tricycle.
Also, I have two children. That is not how "the mind of a child" works... like... at all.
(Of course, they're also really bad at figuring out how drunk people behave, so... fair enough.)
LOL!
Nowadays, if we see a tricycle out of nowhere, its like, "What horror film are we in?!?"
:)
I know, right?! You're in a clearly post-apocalyptic version of, like, four centuries back! You find a child's toy, much less one that is all broken and rotted like everything else, you get the heck outta dodge!
... but more seriously, there was literally nothing interesting about the tricycle. It was just a tricycle in the dirt. That is literally all there was to it. And it got inspected and passed to no less than three senior officers!
"Holy cow, you guys, a tricycle! Just like that one over there! But let's ignore the others for this one!"
(That said, I'm pretty sure they reused that exact same "1960s" rusted fence and door in ST:E that one time they went back to the '80s to fight the Xindi.)
That said, they sure are changing up the formula this time! Not hot guys or girls in sight!
E3:
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
NOBADWRONGNOBADWRONGNOBADWRONGNOBADWRONGNOBADWRONGNOBADWRONGNOBADWRONG
NOBADWRONGNOBADWRONGNOBADWRONGNOBADWRONGNOBADWRONGNOBADWRONGNOBADWRONG
NOBADWRONGNOBADWRONGNOBADWRONGNOBADWRONGNOBADWRONGNOBADWRONGNOBADWRONG
NOBADWRONGNOBADWRONGNOBADWRONGNOBADWRONG
DANG IT, STAR TREK
>:(
E4: To be fair, it's one-sided, but still. This is... aaaaaaaaaaaaaagh
e5: it's like watching a modern animeeeeeeeeee
EDIT: You gotta clear 'dem computer banks, strange-looking communication guy! Also electron microscopes!
EDIT 2: I do have to admit, that communications guy is really courageous. "There's a virus that'll revert you to childlike behavior and kill you?! I'll head down there right away to help!" ... oh, dear-heart. So brave.
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(That said, I'm pretty sure they reused that exact same "1960s" rusted fence and door in ST:E that one time they went back to the '80s to fight the Xindi.)
Hah, Your probably right!
it's probably some back-lot set that hasn't had any major changes to it since it was built in the 50's-60's! If you look REALLY close, you can probably find it was used in ST and likely several black/white episodes of Twilight Zone!;P
And, much like the Thasians, "Space Central" was never heard from, again.
EDIT:
(I'm guessing "Space Central" is something in the Federation or was a placeholder before they knew there was a Federation in show-writing. It may or may not ever be heard from again, but I've never heard of it.)
Oh! Also! I forgot to mention! We get the first real "ripped shirt" from Kirk! (I mean, it's just his sleeves, and we've already gotten a shirtless Kirk in the whole "teaching to fight" in Charlie X, but still! ... unless I totally just forgot one in an earlier episode.)
Also, I'm required by law to ask: Uhura is a sometimes person that's occasionally replaced with other guy? For whatever reason I'm unable to recall, though I'd been thinking she was - I just can't recall, now.
She's certainly in this episode! (Episode 10, or maybe 9. The Prisoner one.)
(That said, I'm pretty sure they reused that exact same "1960s" rusted fence and door in ST:E that one time they went back to the '80s to fight the Xindi.)
Hah, Your probably right!
it's probably some back-lot set that hasn't had any major changes to it since it was built in the 50's-60's! If you look REALLY close, you can probably find it was used in ST and likely several black/white episodes of Twilight Zone!
;P
You know, I honestly wouldn't be surprised!
Star Trek: OSSo, like... are the entire premise of the first five episodes (including the unaired pilot) of the OS literally just, "men find women hot; this leads to trouble"...?
I... I think they are.
Dho-hohohohoho~! Changing up the formula, are we?!
(This one was "(robot) women find men hot; this leads to trouble" instead!)
((EDIT: for the curious, this was What are Little Girls Made Of?))
And back to this, minus the robot! Kirk is showing a surprising amount of restrai- NEVERMIND! Oh, he's just startled by an elevator. But that's a hilarious reaction to being startled by an elevator!
(Also 'dat doctor's imagery is hilarious~! EDIT: nothing really wrong with it, per se, it's just... funny. "I'm so gooooooooood~! (heehee)" :D)
EDIT: DOH-HOHOHOHOHOHOH~! "women find men hot; this leads to trouble" INDEED~!
AH~! A Mind Meld! First time! How hyyyyyyyyyype!
We also learn in this episode that Kirk has, like, the worst Will save in Starfleet! (Or maybe he's voluntarily failing his saving throw.)
But, you know, I'm curious why the guy is pushing it so very high.
Like... it's really, clearly, and demonstrably needless.
Just... put hypnotic suggestions at people and you're fiiiiiiiiiine.
Also, dude, you're dumb.
"Hey, you love this woman and will do anything - literally anything! - for her." ten minutes later, "WHERE IS SHE!? BETRAY THIS WOMAN TO MEEEEE"
(No wonder it doesn't work. Dummy.)
Oooooooooh. Kirk is an angryboi.
(Makes sense, but still.)
Heeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyy~! We're going to watch the pilot episode! Again! Hah!
EDIT: So, it's sometime about here that I realize I've seen this episode before, but I didn't recognize the Pilot. I'm guessing that when I saw it on tv, less "correction" was available at the time, and it looked substantially different, somehow.
Interesting!
(Just in case it wasn't clear, I've seen at least part of Charlie X, Miri, and The Enemy Within, as well. Definitely others, but I won't know until I'm able to see more, now!)
Black Sabbath's albums - ranked!
Thoughts?
(I agree that 'Master of Reality' should be at No. 1, personally)
I'm pretty much on board with everything, though my favorite Sabbath era was the Dio era. By far. Ozzie's vocals always reminded me of the neighbor's dog yelping in the night and were so annoying you wanted to leave the block.
And though the Dio/Iommi/Appice/Ward lineup from "Mob Rules" were called Heaven and Hell on the album released in 2009, it was as heavy as most anything Sabbath did and certainly carved its own place in the pantheon.
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Oh-HOH~!
The first time we see Romulans! Ever! Hoohoohoo~!
(We're watchin' Balance and Terror, y'all~! It's really good!)
