Just got back from it...it is a great movie...I cheered three times...
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Wait,
Just curious but did they at LEAST do the one thing they've teased through out ALL the Avengers movies but never quite did?
If you mean:
Then the answer is:
Favorite Moments
The joke about Cap's "pants" which I think the forum would edit out...
JARVIS
Cap wielding Mjolnir
Avenger's Assemble! (and the immediate lead up to that). Really, that scene makes me want to buy a van just so I can paint that scene onto it
Captain Marvel's big entrance at the end and Thanos' expression when he see's Sanctuary II get swiftly taken out
and so so many more...
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Todays' gag.
Go to Google.
Type in "Thanos."
Click the Infinity Gauntlet.
Enjoy.
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Wait, ** spoiler omitted **Just got back from it...it is a great movie...I cheered three times...
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The first one...
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Now here a interesting thing to think about...
Is he going to ignore the whole Hydra infiltrating S.H.I.E.L.D. thing?
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Wonderful 3 hours and 2 minutes. Almost perfect film. 20 seconds of groan inducing eye rolling.
Pretty sure I know what 20 seconds you're talking about, and I had the exact same reaction. That scene felt so out of place.
Did everyone else get lost? Did they fall down the well? Really took me out of what was otherwise an incredible movie and (in particular) an amazing scene / set piece.
I groaned at a thing, but it doesn't sound anything like what Peter is talking about.
I expect some--maybe even many--parts may have YMMV reactions.
I think maybe I know the moment indeed Peter is talking about from what he's saying, and the entire theater of about 700 people cheered loudly in joy at that moment (I was in a very active and vocal theater that was very wired for the movie; normally I don't like that but I was right there with them). So clearly YMMV.
Overall it's quite a ride and I think certainly more good than bad, and largely just a massive adrenaline rush. I left the theater sweating like I'd just been running for an hour, and I wasn't warm.
Now here a interesting thing to think about...
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We should wait for the spoiler thread before really getting into the time travel stuff. It's a bit intense.
Yeah, my whole theater cheered for the part DeathQuaker is talking about too. the guy sitting next to me leaned forward and whispered really intensely "YES". For my part I really liked it.
Todays' gag.
Go to Google.
Type in "Thanos."
Click the Infinity Gauntlet.
Enjoy.
Doesn't seem to be working
Type in thanos
Hit enter
It pops up on the right, its not like their picture gags where it's on the home page
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The movie is not perfect, but it is going to compete for one of my top 5 favorite movies of all time.
It's very emotional, but a lot of that emotion comes from the 12 years and 21 movies that preceded this one. It's literally the combination of the long time period in which these movies have existed and the amount of the time spent watching them. The movie does a really good job of just allowing these characters to exist in moments that let you be with them.
Some of the writing is good, occasionally even really good, but there are moments of meh, and dropped balls.
Interestingly, they made room for the story of one more character in this movie, and it was desperately needed (though I'm sure someone will disagree with me). Their story only existed in bits and pieces, and it was nice to see it all put together finally. And it was central to the... I don't even know what "act"... this movie was so long.
(They should bring back intermissions for future ensemble movies of this nature.)
Anyways, this movie was 12 years in the telling, and it was worth it. I have one quibble with the ending, but I'll save it for the spoiler thread.
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To those that were wondering, yes I'm referring what
Well, just saw it.
Did a WAY better job of actually generating an emotional response in me than the last one.
Surprised by how many things I called right.
Now, for the Emotional Beats That Worked Well For Me:
"On your left."
"She is not alone." ABOUT FRIGGIN' TIME.
Cap's ending. This one I didn't call before the movie, but in the 1970 bit? Ohhhhh yeah.
Stuff that even the new-movie high can't clear from my brain:
The time travel shenanigans are best MST3Ked, 'cause otherwise you're going to be really, really baffled. In fact, there's a whole pile of implications the movie does a poor job of- such as the fact that half of all animal life in the universe effectively skipped ahead five years while the other half didn't and had to go through the grieving process only now the people they mourned are all back. That.... is going to cause some serious headaches and repercussions that I bet a shiny nickel we never ever touch again.
Wanted more out of the Hulk. C'est la vie.
Surprised by how unsurprised I was by the two major deaths.
EDIT: And now, some more mean-spirited spoiler-related comments.
Likewise, glad that the Hulk/Widow Whedoned "romance" is generally only alluded to rather than directly referenced. It always felt really tacked-on- her emotional bond with Clint always felt more genuine. Not every bond of love needs to be romantic.
Man, Doctor Strange is the tropiest wizard around.
No idea what 20 seconds Peter and DQ are talking/not talking about.
Time travel/continuity/Phase 3:
Will Spider-Man: Far From Home deal with the fact that half of Peter's class is now five years older than the rest? Or are we to assume that Ned, Flash, MJ et al were all dusted along with Peter? Just not sure how this upcoming class trip is supposed to work.
Cap sure likes to take chances with the timeline. Pulling off his stunt requires either that he spends decades lying to Peggy or brings her in no everything so they can cooperate on ensuring the original timeline isn't altered. If nothing else she'll need to understand why he has to sit out every superhero related crisis for several decades (while also participating in them)...and what to say to him when she "first" meets him in modern day as an old woman in a hospital bed.
Black Widow is irreversibly dead. Black Widow has a [prequel] movie coming out some time in 2020, well after Spider-Man: Far From Home...which is supposed to close out Phase 3. So is the Black Widow movie "out of phase" entirely?
Also, boo hiss to finally making a Black Widow solo movie...after making sure she's dead dead dead.
Comments on spoilery things
The 5 year skip being maintained was a big surprise, but I am not sure we can consider it a plot hole as of yet. I could definitely see that being fertile ground for future movies, as the chaos that probably happened in the 5 years of government instability could definitely fact into future MCU movies (Tech falling into the wrong hands, new groups rising to fill power vacuums, etc). HOPEFULLY, the Falcon/Winter Soldier show can delve into some of this. I admit I am now more interested in seeing the effects of this on normal folks. You know that for every person who didn't get over the grief there were folks that moved on, kids traumatized that now get their parents back who don't really know anything about them anymore, people who in the interim have probably lost some homes/etc. Not to mention all the snapped folks who come back to discover their loved ones committed suicide (unless those were somehow brought back as well?
And yes, the assumption I am going into for this film is that every significant speaking character from Spiderman got snapped along with Peter.
Time Travel: Actually the time travel was almost completely consistent and made sense in the rules of the movie, it just didn't follow the rules of some other films and books. Any change that happens in the past creates a new timeline that doesn't effect the present. The only thing that is weird is the stuff with Cap at the very end. My head canon is that he used his device to jump forward, probably after Peggy's death, but not to the exact moment he left. Who knows why...maybe his device got damaged and Pym had to fix it. It's annoying for sure.
The alternative theory is that the unnamed husband of Carter was always "Captain America" but one who obviously chose to remain incognito and allowed things to play out. Although this honestly doesn't make sense in the slightest given that Cap isn't someone who would be okay with letting his best friend be a mindwashed assassin for 50+ years, or allow Howard Stark and his wife to be executed. And so on. So I don't care for this idea myself
Spoilery things repsonse...
As for CapAm in the past, he's aware that nothing he does can change the "future", because it is already his past. And the sense I get from that exchange is that while you can change details, it won't change the overall course of events. For example, killing baby Thanos won't prevent the snap, it just means the snap happens some other way (that was my impression from the movie).
So, if CapAm saves Bucky, it means someone else becomes the Winter Soldier, and that person still kills Stark's parents... and Stark will blame Cap for allowing this new person to become the Winter Soldier.... it doesn't solve anything, and it means Cap has to effectively choose to subject someone else to the torture Bucky experienced. Or it might be that whatever Cap does, it just turns out the same (Bucky is Winter Soldier) no matter what.
The actual unexplained problem in the movie is what happened to Loki. That is a major plot hole.
Spoilery things repsonse...
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That wasn't at all how I interpreted things, and also seems to not work with the movie as portrayed. Beyond the Loki thing, there is also:
Nebula killing her past self
Past Thanos getting dusted years before he could enact the events of Infinity wars
Gamora in the past now in the present, which means nothing in the guardians movies took place the same way
None of those things make sense if there is only one timeline.
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So they said, Hama, but that simply can't be true.
in the new reality, Thanos senses a disturbance with Nebula and goes to investigate. He finds an older Nebula, sends his daughter to the future, and then follows behind with all his forces.
They are never heard from again.
Can someone walk me through
Once he uses the gaultlet, he's dying but conscious. Bad news for anyone not bearing the Reality stone. But he is. It can turn Drax into a bunch of boxes; it can heal his wounds.
Or the Mind stone could have created a duplicate of his memory and personality to share space in Pepper's head.
Or the Soul Stone could have ... Or the Time Stone ... Or Mantis or Scarlet Witch ...
(If you say he was too weak to affect such things, there's a whole host of people standing around him, who could have taken one of the stones and done the same thing.
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A spoilery response
Thanos doesn't disappear from the past until after he's already gone through that period of the past once. It's a weird thing to wrap the head around, I know.
The past where Thanos got the stones and snapped has already happened, and therefore he cannot disappear from those events, or not cause them to happen.
Just like Loki being gone from the past now doesn't prevent Loki from all the events he's partaken in. In essence, there are now two Loki's... or.... it's because of his usage of the infinity stone that he might create a whole new series of events, because the movement of infinity stones can alter timelines.
Essentially, the movie's core logic is that you cannot go back and change events that you've experienced. You can change other events, but they will not change things you've already done. This does not create alternate realities, unless the infinity stones are taken out of time from each other or used in certain ways, because the infinity stones create a specific and coherent timeline (coherent in the sense of it stays together, not coherent in the sense that it makes sense to you).
The infinity stones are the key to this. Without their inherent property of creating a single coherent timeline, then everything flies off the rails and now you have a dead Thanos before Thanos snaps his fingers, which creates paradoxes or Back to the Future fading photos. Since we do have them though, that means time is linear, even if that "linear" moves around in a way that doesn't make sense to us intuitively.
Also, all of this means that the rules of time travel are fundamentally different after this, because the infinity stones no longer exist.
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They explained that in the movie, ** spoiler omitted **
So they said, Hama, but that simply can't be true.
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Can someone walk me through ** spoiler omitted **
Walking through...
Reality stone changes revert back to normal after a while.
Time stone would just put everything back to how it was before Tony snapped.
Soul stone.... who knows? It seems like a dick stone, it probably would kill the person who used it this way.
Mind stone, that's a complicated and hard thing to think of IMO. And a lot to ask of someone. It's the most likely solution, but someone would have to think of it.
In GotG we saw what happened to a normal person when they touched ONE stone, and Tony activated all six. I think having what happened to him be permanent and unchangeable is okay.
Also, I think we should be glad and appreciative of comic book movies having permanent deaths. Too many people get brought back all the time in comics. If Tony can't die here, then we gotta start asking why they aren't bringing back Uncle Ben.
Walking through...
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The last three sentences in your spoiler tag get a resounding AMEN from me.
Honestly all of it put together tells me two things
A) There is a glitch in the timestream that someone like oh say...Kang could take advantage of.
B) Some like oh say ... Immortus might show up to punish people for messing with the timestream.
and together that lets us build up a fun Kang/Immortus storyline for whatever Marvel has planned next.
Grey,
Trust me if they don't use Kang within the next 5 years, I'm going to be REALLY upset...
Chris Mortika, I have a different explanation that to me feels simpler (though I can't say it's right)...
in the new reality, Thanos senses a disturbance with Nebula and goes to investigate. He finds an older Nebula, sends his daughter to the future, and then follows behind with all his forces.
They are never heard from again.
Can someone walk me through
When Tony snaps and "dusts" Thanos and his army, I believe he is actually sending all of them back to the point in time before he learns the future from Nebula, in such a way that he is unable to learn said future again (with all the stones this is possible). Therefore that Thanos, no longer forewarned, just proceeds with his regular plan to get the stones and nothing changes. Doing this also returns past Gamora to the past and past-Nebula back without her injury.
The others' explanations are paying attention more to what Banner said about how time travel works and frankly may actually be more correct, but I'm just attempting an explanation that personally makes sense to me so I can sleep at night.
As for what happened to Tony, IIRC first of all--as someone else said, JUST the power stone can mess you up, so holding all six active is bound to do so. Secondly, there's a paradoxical issue here--just using the stones burns you up; if you use them to heal you, you're still also using the stones and they will still burn you up anyway. There's also some suggestion that somehow using the stones on yourself doesn't work in the same way as using it on others, which may just be an inbuilt limitation the stones themselves create.
I am with DQ about the possibility of
In both Infinity War and Endgame, we're informed that to obtain the Soul Gem, you must go 'a soul for a soul'. It's kinda the soul of the universe. Well, Steve goes back in time to put all the gems back. So I wondered if that exchange applies both ways. He puts the Soul Gem back...and we get Natasha back? Sort of like collateral for a loan?
Now, this wouldn't work with Gamora, because of exactly when it happened, not to mention the destruction of the Infinity Gems.
Yes, I want my favorite SHIELD agent and superspy alive and well, what's your point?
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Had an unpleasant thought.
Where were the Asgardians when the snap happened?
or rather more importantly ....
cause I'm kind of remembering that they were adrift in space in the wreckage of their fleet when the snap happened....and said wreckage might not be there anymore.
"Hazah, we aren't dust anymore"
"......."
(adrift in the void of space)
"...well crap"
Grey, when talking about the movie use "spoiler tags."
It'll look like this:
(spoiler)Plot stuff that would ruin the story for people who haven't seen the movie yet(/spoiler)
Except replace the () with []
This way, people who haven't seen the movie don't accidentally see something you've written.
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Regarding holding the stones:
Vision is a machine made of vibranium... I don't think that he touched the Mind stone is proof of much.
Wanda touched it, but only after it had been used to imbue her with power.
The sorcerers didn't touch the time stone, they had it in a protective case.
The Space Stone was only touched by Thanos directly. Loki touched the Tesseract, the object around the space stone. When Fury touched it, it burned his hand through a leather glove.
The Reality stone literally infected a human and required them to get advanced alien medical help.
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Two complaints about the end...
Minor complaint:
1) Don't tell us you aren't going to tell us, and then tell us. It's dumb. Kill Bill made the same mistake with The Bride's name. If you are going to tell us, just tells. Don't waste time telling us you aren't going to tell us.
2) It gives Cap a measure of humanity that a movie cannot otherwise give. By having the character decide to keep a secret, and having the movie itself honor that secret, would have respected him and made him even more real. Showing it strips Cap of that agency.
3) Every audience member would get to imagine it themselves. 95% of people were going to 'ship him with Carter anyways, you don't need to show us. The other 5% of the audience would 'ship him with their own favorite theory. Regardless of who each person chose, they would still imagine all sorts of stuff that the movie didn't have time to show.
Major complaint
Nebula is problematic as well, but I'm going to give the movie a bit of a pass on this. I think it tries to show her redemption, but at the same time portraying an abuse victim as a villain is some bullshit. Unfortunately her story hasn't necessarily had the time to develop the way it has needed to, but a couple of minor tweaks would have made it better. I'm giving a slight pass on this because that is a hard thing to do well (perhaps a reason to not have done it) and the movie was already so full of stuff that adding more just couldn't be done.
They echo the line "She's not alone." And that's cool, but this one doesn't feel as impactful. It's a cgi-blur of action with little to no focus on anything that is going on. It felt like crumbs compared to the action that Thor and Cap got involved in. And yes, I know they're more the stars of this movie, but that could have been broken up, or more involved with other characters playing off of these two.
If you disagree with me, don't debate it. This is how I feel about it, and you can't debate me out of how I feel.
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Two complaints about the end...
Minor complaint:
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Thordude abids
Watched it a second time this weekend and is still great. If i make a list of stuff i liked the post would be too long^^
Widow had her moments too. Her being the one to try to hold them all together was a nice twist.
Captain Marvel could have done more but her scenes with the other avengers and in the end destroying the ship and giving Thanos a beating after absorbing power from the stones were great. But I heard that her scenes were made before her own movie so that could explain why she is not showing up during the time heist
So great movie and it could break my record for seeing a movie in a cinema^^