Spell Failure due to Armor?


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Maybe I'm blind, but I haven't seen anything which would make a wizard really not want to wear some armor.

Even at the -2 AC, it might still be valuable.

The fighter multiclass archetype gives proficiency in light, medium, and heavy armor as well as martial and simple weapons. That's a hell of a feat for a wizard, especially considering that the Wizard could craft these items.


The downside is that you have to use armour with more than +2 as a bonus, and it starts hitting decently hard in other aspects when that happens.

Taking -3 to Str/Dex/Con checks with no actual physical stats to back it up (and 2 Bulk) for 1 AC and -2 TAC is pretty questionable. Above that there's scale mail, for 1 AC and -1 TAC, but -5 speed and -2 to all physical checks.

The multiclass is pretty solid...but then you have 16 Str which you'll rarely use. If you use the Str for an eldritch knight sort, then it does some more work, but it's a pretty heavy investment after a certain point.


Fighter Multiclass feat is 16 strength or Dexterity actually, and since you will be using that (to the best i can tell) for your touch attacks its very useful.


Might not he worth a class feat if you only want light armor you can get that with a general feat which are less powerful overall.


ya, I was working with a lvl 4 wizard build... where the wizard could 'true strike' as a verbal-only non provoking (I think) spell, then power attack with a bastard sword (2 handed at that point).

I'm not sure, but it would seem to be a very strong eldritch knight sort.


Lady Melo wrote:
Fighter Multiclass feat is 16 strength or Dexterity actually, and since you will be using that (to the best i can tell) for your touch attacks its very useful.

Huh, I actually hadn't looked at Fighter multiclass and forgot that fighter was open to both. Thanks for the correction.

Really, it's how much you want to invest in that vs just casting Mage Armor. Because it costs you that one feat, money, and hits your checks a bit, but is a lot more efficient than Mage Armor.


Pookiebear wrote:

ya, I was working with a lvl 4 wizard build... where the wizard could 'true strike' as a verbal-only non provoking (I think) spell, then power attack with a bastard sword (2 handed at that point).

I'm not sure, but it would seem to be a very strong eldritch knight sort.

I had actually considered that very idea since they mentioned you were capable of making a Magus of sorts. True strike would even trigger Magical Striker feat +1 more hit and another die of damage.


Pookiebear wrote:

ya, I was working with a lvl 4 wizard build... where the wizard could 'true strike' as a verbal-only non provoking (I think) spell, then power attack with a bastard sword (2 handed at that point).

I'm not sure, but it would seem to be a very strong eldritch knight sort.

I think it takes an action to change your grip with a weapon so I think that isn't possible. You could truestrike and power attack one handed and the shift grip next round. Or at least that's how I am interpreting the carrying and using items section in the equipment chapter.


Lady Melo, what is the Magical Striker Feat? :)


Pookiebear wrote:
Lady Melo, what is the Magical Striker Feat? :)

It's the level 4 wizard feat - when you cast a spell, the next strike before the end of your turn is with a +1 higher weapon. Of course, my fighter/wizard at level 12 is very happy using it with True Strike.


That's crazy, with that wizard feat. So you're actually doing +1 dice of damage at that point???

(And ya, it looks like switching grips from 1h to 2h is an action!! :) thanks, Bardarok!)

Wizard fighter so stronk


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Bardarok wrote:
Pookiebear wrote:

ya, I was working with a lvl 4 wizard build... where the wizard could 'true strike' as a verbal-only non provoking (I think) spell, then power attack with a bastard sword (2 handed at that point).

I'm not sure, but it would seem to be a very strong eldritch knight sort.

I think it takes an action to change your grip with a weapon so I think that isn't possible. You could truestrike and power attack one handed and the shift grip next round. Or at least that's how I am interpreting the carrying and using items section in the equipment chapter.

Changing Grips is an action, but there is no need to since True strike is verbal only. You still use a bastard sword so you can let go and cast other spells and still use the sword (just incase you don't find that action to re-grip it).

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Bardarok wrote:
Pookiebear wrote:

ya, I was working with a lvl 4 wizard build... where the wizard could 'true strike' as a verbal-only non provoking (I think) spell, then power attack with a bastard sword (2 handed at that point).

I'm not sure, but it would seem to be a very strong eldritch knight sort.

I think it takes an action to change your grip with a weapon so I think that isn't possible. You could truestrike and power attack one handed and the shift grip next round. Or at least that's how I am interpreting the carrying and using items section in the equipment chapter.

I may be wrong but since True Strike only has a verbal casting component you wouldn't need a free hand. I can't speak for what reactions monsters might have, but it seems it wouldn't trigger Attack of Opportunity either as the Verbal Casting action lacks the Manipulate trait and doesn't meet any of the other triggers. This seems like a pretty nice combo for a gish.


Velisruna wrote:
Bardarok wrote:
Pookiebear wrote:

ya, I was working with a lvl 4 wizard build... where the wizard could 'true strike' as a verbal-only non provoking (I think) spell, then power attack with a bastard sword (2 handed at that point).

I'm not sure, but it would seem to be a very strong eldritch knight sort.

I think it takes an action to change your grip with a weapon so I think that isn't possible. You could truestrike and power attack one handed and the shift grip next round. Or at least that's how I am interpreting the carrying and using items section in the equipment chapter.
I may be wrong but since True Strike only has a verbal casting component you wouldn't need a free hand. I can't speak for what reactions monsters might have, but it seems it wouldn't trigger Attack of Opportunity either as the Verbal Casting action lacks the Manipulate trait and doesn't meet any of the other triggers. This seems like a pretty nice combo for a gish.

Ah you are right. I missed the verbal only part. True strike and two handed power attack away!

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