give a construct a true soul


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so our group has been talking about turning a alchemical dragon into a colossal construct but we want to give it intelligence and a soul would anyone know a good way to do this that isnt breathe takingly evil (we wanna make it a ng being)


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First you would use the Craft construct feat to make the vehicle into a mindless construct (preferred over permanent animate objects due to dispelling risk). Then cast awaken construct


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okay that makes it smart but how do we give it a soul?


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An excellent question, my friend, but let me respond with another: Why exactly is a soul necessary? Magic has been developed that allows for recovery of a constructed entity. In effect, a soul would only be necessary if said soul were to later find a use providing power or direction to another vessel.


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because just in case it dies we want it to be able to go to some kind of airship based heaven


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Forsparda wrote:
because just in case it dies we want it to be able to go to some kind of airship based heaven

With all of the toasters?


Do you want war-forged? cause this is how you get war-forged.


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Vidmaster7 wrote:
Do you want war-forged? cause this is how you get war-forged.

I fail to see a problem with this.


Irnk, Dead-Eye's Prodigal wrote:
Vidmaster7 wrote:
Do you want war-forged? cause this is how you get war-forged.
I fail to see a problem with this.

then I would say you should probably give the constructs souls then.


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You mean these guys? 'Cause they don't seem to quite fit the bill:

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Warforged are usually neutral or lawful neutral, depending on whether or not their participation in the Last War was under multiple owners or only one. While warforged can, and sometimes do, wrestle with matters of morality, most choose not to. Many will follow another's lead or take the path that is most likely to ensure their continued survival. Likewise, warforged are not often followers of any of the deities or churches. This is due to the fact that, to date, no warforged has even been seen or detected in the afterlife, nor has any undead warforged appeared. This gives rise to the claim that they do not actually have souls. However, since they can be raised or resurrected, it is believed by the more educated that they do have souls, just not those like most 'normal people'.

Since the OP wants the soul as a way of getting them a heavenly afterlife, they'll have to work harder, methinks.


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What? Pinocchio wants to become a real little boy?

Sounds like you're going to need a full-blown wish spell or miracle for that to happen.


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So go by the Velveteen Rabbit precedent,
Since cuddly love is inappropriate for the specifics....

"Awaken Construct" alters the animating force to be more like a soul, per its text. So, the actions of the Construct have to take it the rest of the way. It will have to earn the intercession of the gods on its own.


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Guys. Guys.

"How do we give it a soul?"

Really?! Really?!

Guys. This isn't that hard, guys.

It's like you're not even trying.

You just give them a soul.

#dropmic

Oh, was just one method not enough for you?!

Well then, may I present, yet one more option!!11!!one!!11!!

#dropmic-dropanothermic,yesIwascarryingthree

High-fives all-round to my victory!
>_>^ ^<_<

Toast to my name!
( ^_^)o自自o(^_^ )

Rejoice at my awesome!
ヽ(´ー`)人(´∇`)人(`Д´)ノ

I owned it!
(⌐■_■)

/thread

Go home everyone, I nailed it, it's done now.

<insert other cliches/memes here, at will>

I'm so, very sorry for everything.


(The above may have been* edited - just a smidge** - for just that little bit of extra pizzazz.)

* It totally was, you guys. Multiple times.
** Okay, well, this one is true. No actual content was changed.


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Vlaeros,

Unless the OP is hiding a seriously nefarious intent, and lying that the purpose is to work out a way for the construct to have a soul, NG aligned with a potential to earn an afterlife...

He also specified not terribly evil.

Your ideas fail on the evil part. Furthermore, none of these actually give the construct its OWN soul with a possibility of earning its own afterlife.

^-^
LOL, though, do you have an emoji for a face plant? Those are hilarious.


Daw wrote:

Vlaeros,

Unless the OP is hiding a seriously nefarious intent, and lying that the purpose is to work out a way for the construct to have a soul, NG aligned with a potential to earn an afterlife...

He also specified not terribly evil.

Your ideas fail on the evil part. Furthermore, none of these actually give the construct its OWN soul with a possibility of earning its own afterlife.

^-^
LOL, though, do you have an emoji for a face plant? Those are hilarious.

But!

Butbutbutbutbut!

You're doing it for good purposes~!

#dropmicx12
(Just, like, open twelve new tabs, or something, and do a quick "CTRL+Page down" through them all for the effect)

VICTORY REMAINS MINE OOOOOWWWWWWNNNNN

Vlaeros seems a little... edged, today. Sorry.


Daw wrote:
LOL, though, do you have an emoji for a face plant?

Also, I literally just Google-searched, and stumbled across Wikipedia. - ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


For the record, just in case it's unclear (and I know how easily tone and intent can get lost in text), all of Vlaeros' posts are, to some extent or another, a joke of some sort. The above are more so than most. I have no idea why Vlaeros is so relatively feisty tonight.


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Brilliant!

EDIT ADD
Oh. Vlaeros, your ideas did bring back a funny memory.
I had a goodish character Deck of Deathed in one of Dave's game. She, and somehow by extension her much more goodly assistant gained a pride of deodanths as devoted fans. Their attempts to help out matched your ideas. Poor hobbit was continuously horrified by their "help".


Daw wrote:

Brilliant!

Oh. Vlaeros, your ideas did bring back a funny memory.
I had a goodish character Deck of Deathed in one of Dave's game. She, and somehow by extension her much more goodly assistant gained a pride of deodanths as devoted fans. Their attempts to help out matched your ideas.

A comparison I accept with... pride.

(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■)

YEEEEEEAAAAAHHH~!


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Vlaeros wrote:
Daw wrote:

Brilliant!

Oh. Vlaeros, your ideas did bring back a funny memory.
I had a goodish character Deck of Deathed in one of Dave's game. She, and somehow by extension her much more goodly assistant gained a pride of deodanths as devoted fans. Their attempts to help out matched your ideas.

A comparison I accept with... pride.

(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■)

YEEEEEEAAAAAHHH~!

I cheer your cleverness.

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