I don't understand the grammar of your question.
Fight defensively: -4 to hit, +2 ac. If you have 3 ranks of acrobatics, -4 to hit, +3 ac. With crane style, -2 to hit, +4 ac.
His question is, do you need to be in the style to get only the -2 for fighting defensively?
Thus out of style it'd be -2 for +2 or 3 depending on acrobatics.
You can only get their abilities while in the style.
I disagree. Where a style feat is separated into two parts by "while in this style" then the only logical reading is that the bit before "while in this style" is always available.
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You can only get their abilities while in the style.I disagree. Where a style feat is separated into two parts by "while in this style" then the only logical reading is that the bit before "while in this style" is always available.
The header for Style Feats in Ultimate Combat states that you can only get the benefits of the style feats while you are in that style, unfortunately.
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I can't find that rule in ultimate combat.The header for Style Feats in Ultimate Combat states that you can only get the benefits of the style feats while you are in that style, unfortunately.You can only get their abilities while in the style.I disagree. Where a style feat is separated into two parts by "while in this style" then the only logical reading is that the bit before "while in this style" is always available.
p. 78, under Style Feats.
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Yes it does.I have read that passage and it doesn't say what you said.p. 78, under Style Feats.I can't find that rule in ultimate combat.The header for Style Feats in Ultimate Combat states that you can only get the benefits of the style feats while you are in that style, unfortunately.You can only get their abilities while in the style.I disagree. Where a style feat is separated into two parts by "while in this style" then the only logical reading is that the bit before "while in this style" is always available.
As a swift action, you can enter the stance employed by the fighting style a style feat embodies. Although you cannot use a style feat before combat begins, the style you are in persists until you spend a swift action to switch to a different combat style. You can use a feat that has astyle feat as a prerequisite only while in the stance of the associated style. For example, if you have feats associated with Mantis Style and Tiger Style, you can use a swift action to adopt Tiger Style at the start of one turn, and then can use other feats that have Tiger Style as a prerequisite. By using another swift action at the start of your next turn, you could adopt Mantis Style and use other feats that have Mantis Style as a prerequisite.
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It might be written oddly, but I can see the reasoning for separating it, since you can't attack at all when going Total Defense normally. So the first part points out the lessened attack penalty. And the second talks about the increased AC. To gain either benefit you have to be in the Style though.
Crane Style is a Crane Style feat, you have to be using the Style to get anything from it.
While it is a style feat, it does not have a style feat as a prerequisite, so that passage does not apply.
I agree with Storm.
We don't have concrete answer as to styles working while not in the style. And I'll be honest I don't think the question will top the FAQ chart anytime soon especially if we only have one PDT for both PF and SF
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There are a number of style feats that have some benefit without saying while in the style (boar, crane, efreeti). While others have only benefit while in the style (dragon, earth child).
The efreeti benefit of an extra elemental fist use probably should be all the time. So maybe it is intended for style feats to be able to have some benefit while not in the style.
Hmm, good point, though I am not entirely convinced you're supposed to be able to use those abilities outside of the style.
Hmmm...