So, joining into a campaign of some very powerful characters, set in the Warcraft 3 universe. (important because of race choices) Also we are undead legion, more on that below.
Okay, I need help making a character, I'm just overwhelmed, and I need it to be pretty broken to keep up with the others...here is what I have to work with.
Can build a race that exists in the Warcraft 3 universe, anything at all. 30 Racial points to build the race, free undead template on top of those 30 RP points. So, I can take like human, and add RP points up to make a 30 RP race with extra undead like powers or what have you.
Stats: 75 point buy, no need for constitution as already undead, and no con stat.
Class: Kinda want to do Oracle type.
Level 20 + 3 mythic levels.
Double gold by level for 20th level.
Can make a minor artifact to go with all this...
As you can probably guess, just reading this, I'm at a loss of where to start, and also, how do I make this a broken character? As for the rest of the party, we have a dual wielding broken gunslinger with infinite ammo so never reloads, a death knight(antipaladin) with a small army of undead, and an undead dragon/sorcerer who can chain lightning maximized/empowered for around 600 hp damage to like 37 targets? Don't ask, I haven't seen the character sheets, I just need help on making this oracle. Obviously need to be evil like...negative energy is the way of the healing and such.
Please...help me...
Bones Shaman synergises well with an undead character
If you want truely truely truely broken, be a nature oracle and take advantage of the awaken infinite loop exploit. You can have infinite HD and therefore infinite ability scores and infinite feats. With infinite charisma you can cast miracle an infinite number of times per day. You can look at your party members brokenness and stomp them into the dust. Only the likes of Pun Pun could challenge you. (Pun Pun would win)
If you want truely truely truely broken, be a nature oracle and take advantage of the awaken infinite loop exploit. You can have infinite HD and therefore infinite ability scores and infinite feats. With infinite charisma you can cast miracle an infinite number of times per day. You can look at your party members brokenness and stomp them into the dust. Only the likes of Pun Pun could challenge you. (Pun Pun would win)
Let's explore this, shall we? How utterly CHA-dependant can we get?
So, the Awaken spell costs 2,000 gp/round (unless there's something I'm not aware of). If you used 1/10th of your WBL on it, you could start with +880d3 charisma and +17 HD, which should be enough, but you might be able to do better than an average of merely
Now, because of your +127 Cha modifier, you'll have, for all intents and purposes, enough spell slots to never run out, an all-but-infinite HP pool, and the ability to easily convince your easily bound Efreeti prisoner to give you +5 to all your stats, bringing you up to 269. However, it's really not enough to have what amounts to at-will Miracle with a DC of 146, is it? No, let's worship Desna and take the Divine Fighting Technique with one of your 98 feats (oddly, it has no alignment restrictions) and get Cha to hit and damage with a starknife. Now, you're a melee monster on top of having insane spellcasting prowess, will never run out, and (because of your Nature's Whispers revelation) have AC at almost 150, and have every skill in the game with a bonus upwards of +100. And your Noble Scion feat also allows you to apply your Cha to initiative as well, meaning you'll always go first, hit harder than every one else combined, and Divine Protection means you'll practically never fail a saving throw either.
Oh, and if you can choose what kind of undead you'll be, go with Nosferatu (unless you can also have 3rd party, in which case go with dread vampire) for an extra +4 (or +6) Cha, and a total of 273/275.
And then, you start buying gear.
...I break the game way too easily. I once made a "CR 5" character, through clever use of templates and rules loopholes that, I'm pretty sure could take down Cthulhu in three rounds flat, if that
24 hour cast time on Awaken, and an 8-hour ritual to restore yourself back to an Animal so you can target yourself again.
Not to mention it would reset your INT score to 3d6 and pray you do not roll 3 1s and end up with a 3 INT.
I do not feel it is worth it to go to such lengths unless you actively want to break the game. In which case the DM and group may end up not liking you.
Mythic is already strong enough without needing to resort to those kinds of things.
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75 point buy, 30 rp, free undead template, level 20, double wealth by level, 3 mythic tiers
Pretty sure they want to brake the game.
Aside from the nature oracle loop, I think the dragon oracle is something that could be fun in the later levels although I'm not convinced it benefits much from mythic.
How are you getting +8 advanced charisma for 7 RP? That much should be (4+5+6+7=) 22 RP.
How are you getting +8 advanced charisma for 7 RP? That much should be (4+5+6+7=) 22 RP.each extra time you take its plus 1 so +2 4rp +4 5rp +6 6rp +8 6rp
No, it's cost increases by 1 each time, not 1 RP for +2 stats. The effects stack, but you have to purchase them individually,
But I digress. Carry on.
Let's go for Maximized Awakening
Using Miracle, as well, to avoid the 24-hour casting time.
Hmmmm....
Can you Metamagic a spell cast via Wish/Miracle?
Using Miracle, as well, to avoid the 24-hour casting time.
Hmmmm....
Can you Metamagic a spell cast via Wish/Miracle?
Ithink so but surely the adjusted level has to stay within the limits of Wish/Miracle
Ithink so but surely the adjusted level has to stay within the limits of Wish/MiracleUsing Miracle, as well, to avoid the 24-hour casting time.
Hmmmm....
Can you Metamagic a spell cast via Wish/Miracle?
Doesn't it? A Nature Oracle functionally has Awaken as a 5th-level Cleric spell, which, after the +3 level adjustment, would be within the bounds of Miracle.
Oh, dear lord. That...is a lot of charisma. At that point, I don't have to fight. I could just say, "Stop." And everyone would listen. Then say, "Worship me." And they would. Forever.
That's...broken. lol.
Maybe not that broken.
Okay, let's say I build a Nerubian Race.
This is what I came up with:
Abberation 3RP
Large 7RP
Advanced 4RP
+2Phys +4Cha -2 Int
Normal Move 0RP
Standard Lang 0RP
Greater SR 3RP
NaturalArmor +2 3RP
Climb 2RP
Spell Like Abil 4RP
Web/Vomit Swarm
Quadreped 4RP
So, I'm going to keep it reasonable in that department, as in I want it to resemble a Nerubian. Also, I have to take what is already there for Human, and it's RP points, in account, before I add on...so I can't just rewrite what a human is, I could make something new, but it has to be in Warcraft III.
And the Undead thing, apologies, I mean the 16RP Undead 'template' not just any undead template I can grab. At least that's how I understood it.
I might not be undead, and see if he will let me take the 16 points and use them on my race, because I'm not fully happy with the above.
What do you mean, 3,112 Charisma is a lot? That's only a modifier of +1,556 before factoring in any Advanced Charisma you might buy, gear you might purchase (once earning some money after you blew all your WBL), or buffs you might factor in.
Sure, it'll take you just under 5 years to pull off, but it would be worth it for that sweet, sweet DC 1,566 Bleed cantrip.
And, I suppose, being able to cast Miracle 395 times every day also helps, too.
As do the 1,760 hit dice, I suppose.
But other than that, not broken at all. What are you talking about?
;)
Let us not forget that Undead use charisma not con when determining bonus hit points.
That gives you just over 2.7 million hitpoints.
You could always go to a plane with different time traits to do your awaken loop if time mattered.
I propose we call this nightmare of an awaken looped undead build "Dup Dup" as an homage to Pun Pun. Pun Pun is a CR 4 build from 3.5 that has inifinite divine ranks, every benificial ability in the game and infinite ability scores.
..... Dang. Pun Pun is next-level. And here I thought my "CR 5" near-demigod vampire Eglian was powerful.
Thou shalt call no build "The Ultimate X" unless his name be Pun-Pun, or thou shalt see thine "Ultimate" build topped by the Bretheren within five minutes of posting.
10 Commandments of Character Optimization
But seriously though, I like your templates creature. Pathfinder got rid of most of the 3.5 loopholes. Pun Pun was just the most absurd.
Thou shalt call no build "The Ultimate X" unless his name be Pun-Pun, or thou shalt see thine "Ultimate" build topped by the Bretheren within five minutes of posting.10 Commandments of Character Optimization
But seriously though, I like your templates creature. Pathfinder got rid of most of the 3.5 loopholes. Pun Pun was just the most absurd.
*shrug*
The only template loophole needed was (surprise) the Mythic subtype and its ability to take "a universal monster ability, such as rend or pounce, either from an existing Bestiary or from this section." It just so happens that both Spells and Spell-Like-Abilities are universal monster abilities. The cornerstone of the build is, of course, the at-will Wish, but the casting as a level 20 oracle/sorcerer/wordcaster with a flexible pool of 20 revelations would enable for an Awakenloop. I could have also gone for Psychic Magic (with an arbitrarily high number of points and CL) for infinite casting of Time Stop and other 9th-level spells, but I figured Dual Initiative would be a cool choice as well. Everything beyond that was just gravy (and a way to "dump" Con)I built him in response to a DM challenge to "break the game." I obliged, and never actually expected him to take to play. I could have gone further, but even I have my internal barriers. I'm the kind of person who would figure out how to create Pun-Pun. It's just how my mind works.
Sometimes I have fun with Theoretical Optimization myself. When I get time I'm going to go through the build you made in more detail, for my own perusal.
Pun Pun is not possible in Pathfinder, but Eglian certainly has a similar spirit. I'm not sure if you can do better at a similarly low "CR".
I could manage at as low as CR 1, honestly, or even lower. The Mythic subtype doesn't increase CR until MR 2, so... Might be fun to make it as a "CR 1/8" hedgehog.
(1 mythic rank *arbitrary number of +0 CR templates* hedgehog, using a headband to increase Int to 4, and going from there. No CR adjustment, despite the two mythic abilities of at-will Wish and casting as a level 100 oracle with every single revelation)
...I could totally do that. Really, it would be similar to Eglian, but it would be even more hilarious.