Obsidian False Focus and Storm of Blades

[Halek]

Ok i am soon going to level up to 4th level as a sorceror and i have false focus. I found storm of blades and it seems to be an ok spell.

1. Now can i use false focus to not need the material component for the spell?

2. If i can, can i use it to get a larger sword to deal more damage?

3. If i can do that can i say it is obsidian to get it for half price potentially giving me bigger swords?

What is your opinion?

[graystone]

#1 sure, why not?
#2 If you can use a large sword with the spell, using the feat doesn't change that at all.
#3 Sure why not? Make it glass because glass is cool!!! As for bigger swords, the issue is that there is no official cost for weapons bigger than large so it's impossible to say if you could use the feat or not because I can't tell you the cost.

[Firebug]

Hmm, clever.
If it does work, perhaps throw in the feat disposable weapon to auto confirm crits?

[avr]

Obsidian can't be used to make two handed weapons so you're proably best to go with a steel greatsword though. A large steel greatsword is 100 gp IIRC which you should be able to false focus.

[graystone]

Nexavaran Steel, cold iron and silver are possible special materials that could be useful.

Firebug: I thought of that too! ;)

avr: A large glass/obsidian katana/estoc is an option for 18-20 crits while a large glass/obsidian Falcata offers a 19-20/x3. A large bone Nodachi is possible too [bone usable on hafted and nodachi a 'hafted' heavy blade].

[Firebug]

But he's not making a 2 handed weapon. He's using obsidian to make a large sized (the category of creature) longsword.

Falcata (or bastard sword) would be better, but proficiency could be an issue. Assuming you can go up more than one size category that is.

[graystone]

Firebug wrote:

Falcata (or bastard sword) would be better, but proficiency could be an issue.

Is proficiency needed? The spell makes note of only no range modifiers. So is a "ranged attack roll" for a spell assumed to require proficiency? Telekinesis does something similar and I've never used proficiency with it.

[Firebug]

Operative word "could".

[graystone]

Firebug wrote:

Operative word "could".

Ok, got it. I thought of proficiency when I went to first post but after rereading, I left it out. If it does require it, it puts a interesting twist into the spell and requires some forethought before using it.

[Firebug]

Also, inappropriate weapon size penalties, as a possibility.

[Halek]

So i am thinking a bigger obsidian longsword for 4d6 damage. Any arguments against that?

[graystone]

#1 how do you get a longsword doing that much damage? Going by the damage increase FAQ the highest damage would be 3d6.

1d8 Medium
1d10 Large
2d6 Huge
2d8 Gargantuan
3d6 Colossal

#2 We have NO idea the cost of any weapon past large. So who knows if False Focus would work or not. So the only way I'm sure it'd work is if you drag around the sword.

[Balancer]

Does this spell replicate the sword in your hand or is it limited to rapiers and scimitars?

[Firebug]

graystone wrote:

#1 how do you get a longsword doing that much damage? Going by the damage increase FAQ the highest damage would be 3d6.

1d8 Medium
1d10 Large
2d6 Huge
2d8 Gargantuan
3d6 Colossal

#2 We have NO idea the cost of any weapon past large. So who knows if False Focus would work or not. So the only way I'm sure it'd work is if you drag around the sword.

Helps when you read the FAQ, first line:

FAQ:Size Changes, Effective Size Changes, and Damage Dice Progression wrote:

When the damage dealt by a creature’s weapons or natural attacks changes due to a change in its size (or the size of its weapon), use the following rules to determine the new damage.

• If the size increases by one step, look up the original damage on the chart and increase the damage by two steps. If the initial size is Small or lower (or is treated as Small or lower) or the initial damage is 1d6 or less, instead increase the damage by one step.

So 1d8 -> 2d6 (not 1d10) -> 3d6 -> 4d6.

[graystone]

Firebug: Thanks. Something looked off so I knew I missed something. So we're stuck with not knowing the cost of bigger than large weapons.

Balancer: Storm of blades = "Components V, S, M (a sword)" "Material (M): A material component consists of one or more physical substances or objects that are annihilated by the spell energies in the casting process."

Balancer: As to what weapon, "(a sword)". So the weapon is destroyed and the spell's weapons have the "same threat range and critical modifier and deals the same damage as a standard sword of the type expended." "(such as a rapier or scimitar)" was only added as examples of swords and not any form of exclusive text.