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I've compiled all methods of attacking with a Two Hand Weapon (or One Hand with both hands) and retain a shield bonus from a shield or gain a shield bonus.
I preferred solid defend-able conservative interpretations, over interpretations that may or may not work at most (if not all) tables.
X is the bonus the shield grants
Y is variable noted in ability
- +X+1: Feat -> Taldan Duelist (requires falcata and buckler and combat trick to retain ac)
- +X: Magus (Skirnir) -> Level 8 Spell Combat (buckler only)
- +X: Item -> Anitmated Shield (move action for 4 rounds)
- +X: Fighter (Thunderstriker) -> Level 19 (no action or caveats)
- +X: Feat -> Unhindering Shield (nice but not PFS legal)
- +X: Feat -> Shield Brace (polearm or spear group, ACP applies to attacks)
- +Y+1 or +1: Feat -> Shielded Gauntlet Master (style path, Y=enhancement bonus of gauntlet)
- +Y+1: Feat -> Kyton Shield (with spiked chain, Y=weapon enhancement)
- +Y: Magus (Staff Magus) -> Level 7 Quarterstaff Defense (Y=Quaterstaff enhancement bonus)
- +Y: Feat -> Force Shield Mastery (shield duration, limited uses, Y=1/3 fortitude bonus)
- +4: Spiritualist -> Level 3 Bonded Manifestation (swift action and limited to rounds per day)
- +4: Spell -> shield (standard action)
- +4: Feat -> Shield of Swings (half your damage)
- +2 or 4: Summoner (Synthesist) -> Level 4 or 12 (when fused and not PFS legal)
- +2: Vigilante -> Level 2 talent Shield of Blades (Must have Power Attacked)
- +2: Spiritualist -> Level 4 Spiritual Interference (near phantom)
- +2: Spell -> silk to steel (standard action and rounds per level)
- +2: Spell -> shock shield (standard action)
- +2: Kineticist (Water) -> Level 2 Shroud of Water (level and burn based)
- +2: Item -> War Lance (while mounted and not PFS legal)
- +2: Item -> Ring of Force Shield (deactivate, attack, reactivate)
- +2: Item -> Bracers of the Shield Mates (mythic and must be within 100 ft and not PFS legal)
- +2: Fighter (Swarm) -> Race Kobold Level 5 Share Space (while in another creature's square and not PFS legal)
- +2: Feat -> Orc Weapon Expertise (Defender and requires orc race and not PFS legal)
- +2: Feat -> Underfoot (while in another creature's square, Ratfolk race boon required for PFS)
- +1 or 2: Feat -> Cornugon Shield (with spiked chain, 2 if fighting defensive or total defense)
- +1: Weapon (Meteor hammer) -> (fortress mode)
- +1: Weapon (Bill) -> (Fighting defensively or full defense)
- +1: Fighter -> Advanced Weapon Training Defensive Weapon Training (while using weapon training weapon and increases level based)
- +1: Feat -> Weapon Trick (Two Handed Warding Weapon while fighting defensively or total defense or using Combat Expertise)
- +1: Feat -> Swordplay Style (requires heavy blade, fighting defensively or total defense action or Combat Expertise)
- +1: Feat -> Aldori Dueling Mastery (Aldori dueling sword in two hands)
If you find missing items or better options, please post. If I'm incorrect, please post.
Note: I didn't include things like Shield Focus (things that increase an existing bonus), Improved Shield Bash (things that don't work with two handed weapons), or things that last less than rounds per level.
Nice compilation. I think Vigilante's Shield of Blades is variable, tied to the Power Attack penalty, which, if I'm reading your nomenclature correctly, would make it +Y (Y = amount of Power Attack penalty).
Fighter Mutagen warrior or alchemist...extra arm...Hold shield with new arm.
Nice work, James Risner!
+X: Feat -> Shield Brace (polearm or spear group, ACP applies to attacks)
I believe you only get Strength to damage with this, not Str x 1.5, since you are using the weapon with one hand.
Nice list!
Quickdraw shield plus Quick Draw feat plus a two handed weapon which you can also one hand like a bastard sword also works I believe.
^ 100% THIS. Works SO well for casters who want to mix it up in melee. Though you only need a one-handed weapon to make it work.
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+X: Feat -> Shield Brace (polearm or spear group, ACP applies to attacks) I believe you only get Strength to damage with this, not Str x 1.5, since you are using the weapon with one hand.
Nice list!
The feat itself doesn't reduce you to one hand or reduce your damage. The reason your ACP for the shield applies is cause the shield on the arm that you're using gets in the way.
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+2: Item -> Ring of Force Shield (deactivate, attack, reactivate)Quickdraw shield plus Quick Draw feat plus a two handed weapon which you can also one hand like a bastard sword also works I believe.I was thinking both of these options were problematic per RAW. Whether, not, or how you have a Shield attached to your off-hand, when you attack with a 2 handed weapon, you are attacking with the hand that has the shield on it, and so in that round you you attack you won't get the AC Bonus due to Shield. But if you're sure it kosher, then go ahead.
Losing your shield bonus if you make an attack with that hand is only a rule for the buckler, not a general shield rule.
Granted, it might fall under the "Hands of Effort" FAQ, but that's a whole can of worms we don't want to open.
+X: Race --> Kasatha: You have 4 arms, so 2 of them can hold a two-handed weapon and 1 can hold a shield, and you have 1 free for something else (an off-hand weapon, Metamagic Rod, Wand, etc.).
+X: Spell --> Alter Self: Choose Kasatha (see above).
+X: Spell --> Monstrous Physique series (I - IV): Choose any Monstrous Humanoid that has 4 or more arms (works like Kasatha above, but should be legal even if Kasatha is banned or house-ruled/Errata'd to be Monstrous Humanoid instead of Humanoid).
+X: Barbarian (Titan Mauler) --> Level 2 Jotungrip, although when it lets you wield a two-handed weapon in one hand (which imposes a penalty that takes several more levels to mitigate), you then end up treating it as a one-handed weapon.
Also note that when you get WAY up in levels, Skirnir Magus lets you keep your Shield Bonus with any type of shield even when using your shield hand to cast spells with Somatic components, but well before you get that far, you should be able to cast Monstrous Physique (actually Monstrous Physique I is a 3rd level spell, so you even get ability to cast it 1 level before you get Shielded Spell Combat).
Silver Spindle Ioun Stone with Shield.
Cracked Vibrant Purple Prism Ioun Stone with Shield.
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Take 3 levels in Fighter with the Phalanx Soldier Archetype. You will be able to wield a Pole Arm--2 handed weapon--in one hand and a Shield in the other.
There is the Thunder and Fang Feat. You can wield a Klar in one hand and an Earthbreaker in the other. An Earthbreaker is a 2 handed weapon.
+X: Barbarian (Titan Mauler) --> Level 2 Jotungrip, although when it lets you wield a two-handed weapon in one hand (which imposes a penalty that takes several more levels to mitigate), you then end up treating it as a one-handed weapon.
All three are used as one handed.
Losing your shield bonus if you make an attack with that hand is only a rule for the buckler, not a general shield rule.
Granted, it might fall under the "Hands of Effort" FAQ, but that's a whole can of worms we don't want to open.
Link me a thread talking about "buckler not shield" rule.
The hands of effort issue is what this thread is attempting to avoid. SKR has said a 3rd arm = goes against RAI but allowed with rules as written now in the vestigial arm thread.
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X is the bonus the shield grants
Y is variable noted in ability
- +X+1: Feat -> Taldan Duelist (requires falcata and buckler and combat trick to retain ac)
- +X: Magus (Skirnir) -> Level 8 Spell Combat (buckler only)
- +X: Alchemist -> Level 2 Vestigial Arm (works per SKR but is not RAI per SKR, shield in 3rd arm, other ways such as Fighter Mutagen Warrior )
- +X: Item -> Anitmated Shield (move action for 4 rounds)
- +X: Fighter (Thunderstriker) -> Level 19 (no action or caveats)
- +X: Feat -> Unhindering Shield (nice but not PFS legal)
- +X: Feat -> Shield Brace (polearm or spear group, ACP applies to attacks, debated if it's two handed or one handed)
- +X: Feat -> Quick Draw (Quickdraw shield, debated working - 2 free actions ok? having used hand ties up the hand losing the ac?)
- +X: Race -> Kasatha (4 arms)
- +X: Spell -> Alter Self (Kasatha, 4 arms)
- +X: Spell -> Monstrous Physique I-IV (Any 4 arms race)
- +Y+1 or +1: Feat -> Shielded Gauntlet Master (style path, Y=enhancement bonus of gauntlet)
- +Y+1: Feat -> Kyton Shield (with spiked chain, Y=weapon enhancement)
- +Y: Vigilante -> Level 2 talent Shield of Blades (Y=Power Attack bonus used)
- +Y: Magus (Staff Magus) -> Level 7 Quarterstaff Defense (Y=Quaterstaff enhancement bonus)
- +Y: Feat -> Force Shield Mastery (shield duration, limited uses, Y=1/3 fortitude bonus)
- +4: Spiritualist -> Level 3 Bonded Manifestation (swift action and limited to rounds per day)
- +4: Spell -> shield (standard action, class or Silver Spindle Ioun Stone or Cracked Vibrant Purple Prism Ioun Stone)
- +4: Feat -> Shield of Swings (half your damage)
- +2 or 4: Summoner (Synthesist) -> Level 4 or 12 (when fused and not PFS legal)
- +2: Spiritualist -> Level 4 Spiritual Interference (near phantom)
- +2: Spell -> silk to steel (standard action and rounds per level)
- +2: Spell -> shock shield (standard action)
- +2: Kineticist (Water) -> Level 2 Shroud of Water (level and burn based)
- +2: Item -> War Lance (while mounted and not PFS legal)
- +2: Item -> Ring of Force Shield (deactivate>attack>reactivate, debated working - 2 free actions ok? having used hand ties up the hand losing the ac?)
- +2: Item -> Bracers of the Shield Mates (mythic and must be within 100 ft and not PFS legal)
- +2: Fighter (Swarm) -> Race Kobold Level 5 Share Space (while in another creature's square and not PFS legal)
- +2: Feat -> Orc Weapon Expertise (Defender and requires orc race and not PFS legal)
- +2: Feat -> Underfoot (while in another creature's square, Ratfolk race boon required for PFS)
- +1 or 2: Feat -> Cornugon Shield (with spiked chain, 2 if fighting defensive or total defense)
- +1: Weapon (Meteor hammer) -> (fortress mode)
- +1: Weapon (Bill) -> (Fighting defensively or full defense)
- +1: Weapon (blocking) -> (Fighting defensively defensively)
- +1: Fighter -> Advanced Weapon Training Defensive Weapon Training (while using weapon training weapon and increases level based)
- +1: Feat -> Weapon Trick (Two Handed Warding Weapon while fighting defensively or total defense or using Combat Expertise)
- +1: Feat -> Swordplay Style (requires heavy blade, fighting defensively or total defense action or Combat Expertise)
- +1: Feat -> Aldori Dueling Mastery (Aldori dueling sword in two hands
Giant form II [Athach].
Spiritualist[Ectoplasmatist], either using lash as THW and holding a shield or [at 8th level] wielding a THW and letting a lash hold a shield.
There is the Thunder and Fang Feat. You can wield a Klar in one hand and an Earthbreaker in the other. An Earthbreaker is a 2 handed weapon.
You won't be getting two handed damage for the earth breaker when you wield it like that. I suspect the OP wants both the shield bonus AND the two handed damage.
what book is force shield mastery in?
Magic Tactics Toolbox (a Player Companion)
The Psychic-only spells Mental Barrier I-V give a scaling shield bonus (from +4 to +8) for 1 round as an immediate action and at the highest levels also give a chance to ignore sneak attacks/crits.
You won't get the 2 handed, +1.5 Strength bonus, but the Earthbreaker will still do 2d6, won't it? Where is the rule that says it doesn't?There is the Thunder and Fang Feat. You can wield a Klar in one hand and an Earthbreaker in the other. An Earthbreaker is a 2 handed weapon.You won't be getting two handed damage for the earth breaker when you wield it like that. I suspect the OP wants both the shield bonus AND the two handed damage.
It'll still do the 2d6, but it's the 1.5x str and 1-for-3 power attack tradeoffs that'll get you the most bang for your buck.
I'm not sure if it got mentioned, but you can just use a shield as a two-handed weapon. Nothing restricts doing so.
The imagery is a bit silly, but it works.
I'm interested in 1.5x and 1-for-3 PA, so "one-handed" is out.
What's the RAW on losing your AC if you attack using the shield arm? Is that only on buckler?
Look up the description on bucklers.
It's not mentioned for other shields, because you absolutely can not wield both a two handed weapon and a shield larger than a buckler unless you have more than two fully functional arms*.
*Vestigal arms do not count.
Drahliana, you can with say Ring of Force Shield (turn off, attack with 2HW, turn on) and you can with Quickdraw Light Shield (with Quick Draw feat, stow, attack with 2HW, draw and don).
Question is there a rule forbidding this?
That is never the correct question. The question is is there a rule that enables this.
The answer is that the force shield is not the rule that will do this for you as the ring is wielded as a heavy shield which means that it requires the FULL use of the off hand to do so.
Which brings you back to the three fully functional arm requirement to do what you want... even with this ring.
Only the buckler allow you to have the shield at the same time you attack but looses the shield bonus.
d20pfsrd doesn't show the shield feats from armor master's handbook, but I think Unhinged shield did something about keeping the buckler shield bonus while attack with that hand.
If I remember correctly not only do you lose the AC but also suffer a -1 to the attack.
If I remember correctly not only do you lose the AC but also suffer a -1 to the attack.Only the buckler allow you to have the shield at the same time you attack but looses the shield bonus.
d20pfsrd doesn't show the shield feats from armor master's handbook, but I think Unhinged shield did something about keeping the buckler shield bonus while attack with that hand.
That is correct from the general rule that anything hanging off the same arm as one bearing a weapon imposes that penalty.
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I'm interested in 1.5x and 1-for-3 PA, so "one-handed" is out.
What's the RAW on losing your AC if you attack using the shield arm? Is that only on buckler?Look up the description on bucklers.
It's not mentioned for other shields, because you absolutely can not wield both a two handed weapon and a shield larger than a buckler unless you have more than two fully functional arms*.
*Vestigal arms do not count.
If you mean "use two hands on one weapon, and use the other arm for a shield," then yes. Though I wasn't really intending for people to do that, either. :pBut it would be legal to attack with a two-handed weapon, with a one handed weapon and use a shield, right? I ask because I have an alchemist in my kingmaker group who does that.
SKR wrote both the Vestigial Arms discovery and the official FAQ on vestigial arms and tentacles.
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Does wielding a shield while attacking with a Dancing two-handed weapon count? (Note: The weapon property description doesn't say whether the Dancing weapon keeps using your Strength bonus or feats.)