I am running a home brew game and a few of the players have wings. I would like to know if there is a chart or rules on how long their wings would be. I know I have seen it but I can not find it. Thanks for any help.
Their entire character, including wings, fit into the space for a creature of their size.
So for a human, they take up a 5x5 space, wings and all.
Their entire character, including wings, fit into the space for a creature of their size.
So for a human, they take up a 5x5 space, wings and all.
'Suspension of Disbelief'
I am looking for a chart or rule, not he takes up a 5,5 I know that. I want to know how large of a hallway would they need to be to let them fly down it. I was hoping that this sit could point me in the right direction.
There isn't one. This is a "convenience, not realism" moment. I get the feeling you want to restrict your player's flight by putting them in a cramped space, but by RAW I don't think there's any way to do so. You could always houserule something, though.
I want to know how large of a hallway would they need to be to let them fly down it.
5', cause that is the space of a medium creature
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There really aren't rules for it, but if you're looking for real-life analogues, most flying creatures have a wingspan that is twice (often more) the length of their body. There are some flying birds who have shorter wings, though, but not by a huge amount.
Examples:
Bald Eagle: 28-40 inches in length, 70-90 inches of wingspan.
Vampire Bat: 3.5 inches in length, 7 inches of wingspan.Some enterprising people online have calculated that an average sized human would need a 15' wingspan in order to fly, but I didn't dig too much to figure out how they came to that figure.
Of course, if we were going with realistic wingspans in Pathfinder, dragons would need a wingspan hundreds of feet long.
Of course, if we were going with realistic wingspans in Pathfinder, dragons would need a wingspan hundreds of feet long.
Not to mention how incredibly fragile those wings would be to Flight Object Debris damage, even with magic shenanigans....
My opinion, take as you will, is if a character has to 'squeeze' into a space, they probably don't have enough room to get their wings out?
It would be a perfectly reasonable houserule to require flying characters and creatures to have double their space available to fly normally, and to require (say) a DC20 fly skill check to successfully fly in a narrower space (between their normal (on foot) space and twice that space).
However, no such rule exists in PF, and the flying rules in general are even less fully worked out than the mounted combat rules.
rule-wise they fit in your square.
There isn't a rule or chart to my knowledge, so if you saw something it wasn't official.
The end result is, if a character can fit in the space, they can fly in the space. Not even the squeezing rules prevent it.
Now, as a GM I would probably rule that a squeezing character can't use wings to fly, but that would be the only restriction that I can think of.
If a medium character is in a 5ft wide hallway, they can fly down it.
Actually, on closer examination (and after a search of the prd and pfsrd) it appears that quite a large number of creatures have a listed wingspan in their bestiary entries.
However, as I suspected, there are no rules concerning what you should *do* with that information, or if that might impose any specific limits on flying creatures regarding dungeons, forests or any other sorts of terrain hazards.
Contrary to Claxon's view, I can't see a medium creature flying down a 5' passage using wings. A fly spell, sure, but not on wings. After a bit of thought, a more reasonable figure would be a minimum 15' wingspan for medium creatures.
It seems like somebody here once mentioned a 3pp that published more detailed rules on flying and mounted combat. If not, there's a gap to fill, guys!
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All Medium creatures exist as perfect 5x5 foot cubes. All Large creatures are 10x10 foot cubes. And so on through larger sizes.
Once you violate this gentleman's agreement between mechanics and reality, the game begins to unravel and collapse into a black hole, all to the chorus of a thousand voices all saying "But what if....?" follwed by examples of various monsters compared to various real life animals.