Can an endless bandolier hold melee weapons?


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Two of the pouches on an endless bandolier are described as being large enough to hold a long arm or similar sized object.

Can I use them to carry melee weapons. Specifically, could you store a glaive in one. My bard would like to keep her Blade of Three Fancies in there.


Two issues here. long arm is never defined and even if it was, there aren't any numbers for firearms in game size measurements.

That said, you can check real life weapons from the chart. If we assume long arm means two handed then the largest, the Double Hackbut, is around 7' 6". Since the a glaive is around 7' 6" to 8' 6". I'd say it had a 'similar size'.

Expect table variation though as this is just an extrapolation based on undefined terms. You'll find an amazing difference of opinion just on what is "similar", let alone the other issues.

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graystone wrote:

Two issues here. long arm is never defined and even if it was, there aren't any numbers for firearms in game size measurements.

That said, you can check real life weapons from the chart. If we assume long arm means two handed then the largest, the Double Hackbut, is around 7' 6". Since the a glaive is around 7' 6" to 8' 6". I'd say it had a 'similar size'.

Expect table variation though as this is just an extrapolation based on undefined terms. You'll find an amazing difference of opinion just on what is "similar", let alone the other issues.

Personally I'd lean more towards if the Double Hackbut is the largest of item type that is said to fit, then things larger than that would not fit...

Additionally, you may want to look into the hazards of placing sharp/pointy things into extra dimensional bags.


Glorf Fei-Hung wrote:
graystone wrote:

Two issues here. long arm is never defined and even if it was, there aren't any numbers for firearms in game size measurements.

That said, you can check real life weapons from the chart. If we assume long arm means two handed then the largest, the Double Hackbut, is around 7' 6". Since the a glaive is around 7' 6" to 8' 6". I'd say it had a 'similar size'.

Expect table variation though as this is just an extrapolation based on undefined terms. You'll find an amazing difference of opinion just on what is "similar", let alone the other issues.

Personally I'd lean more towards if the Double Hackbut is the largest of item type that is said to fit, then things larger than that would not fit...

Additionally, you may want to look into the hazards of placing sharp/pointy things into extra dimensional bags.

7'6" is equal to 7'6" so they can be the same size and I'm sure there are variations on the size of the Double Hackbut. I think slightly bigger still fits as similar. If it really ended up being an issue, the OP would just have to note that HIS weapon is 7'6" to avoid being bigger...

On "sharp/pointy things", it allows you to put axe musket in [or a bayonet equipped firearm] so I don't see it as an issue. Look at a similar item, the efficient quiver: would you say an item that is meant to hold sharp pointy arrows breaks it you actually put them inside it? What you are thinking of is "If a bag of holding is overloaded, or if sharp objects pierce it (from inside or outside), the bag immediately ruptures and is ruined, and all contents are lost forever." Note that it's for a "bag of holding" only and not for extra dimensional items in general. You can fill a Portable Hole full to the brim with glass shards and it's in no danger of breaking for instance.

OP: I looked up the item and it says two handed firearm and not long arm so that solves one issue.


I was considering this the other day for a character.

Using what's written doesn't give much to go on, but that's usually better in situations like this. First, the small pouches give some very clear boundaries about what it can hold with examples (rules like examples. A one-handed firearm, 1 pound of ammunition, a powder horn, or a similarly sized object (since it's meant to hold other gear as well, though it would seem to imply firearm like gear). Can I put a dagger in one of these pockets? Sure, it's 1 pound and a one-handed weapon... would seem to fit on two accounts. Can I put a bottle of Alchemist's Fire? One pound, another alchemical item, sure - seems to fit. Where the brain boggles is, can I put a buckler gun, a pistol cane, or a larger one-handed firearm? Damn.

Buckler gun - is it a one-handed firearm? Check. Is it one pound, no... but that shouldn't matter. It met one of the criteria and if we start limiting items that this item is intended for, even if it's ridiculous for you to whip out a buckler gun from your handy magical bandolier, you might be messing up the fun of the game. Frankly, the image is hilarious. Can you instead put a number of swords in the pouches that are one-handed? Well, it's not a one handed firearm, but what's the difference between that and a sword-cane pistol? Damn, that makes an even better image of a gunslinger spider with pistols and swords all in one... back to topic. Can it hold a larger-sized pistol? Magical items that are worn expand to the user, so, if a Giant had a Large or Huge Pistol... and the bandolier were large at the time, it should hold it, right? What happens if the item shrinks back down? What about the pistol ammunition at that point. If I were to go RAW, the item can expand and hold the larger weapon, and it would either be ejected on shrinking or just be inaccessible, but it couldn't hold large ammo that must be greater than 1 pound a shot. Well, guess the giant will need to stick to the 60 rounds he has on the bandolier.

Could it then hold a Two-handed Weapon instead of a Two-handed Firearm? I'd say so. Again, largest two-handed firearm is the Culverin at 40lbs (weight wise large). All should have barrels of considerable length, but I wouldn't get too nit-picky on the length of the barrel being a limitation. Could it hold a Halberd or a Poleaxe with a 15ft haft? Well, it's two handed... and it some how fit that Culverin... so why not. If it works for you and the GM, go with it. if the GM want's to say that it just works for firearms, well, it's time to make some Large Firearms with a bigger damage die, store 6 of those muthas and let loose some flaming balls of lead... cause per item rules, and the rule of cool, that would be sweet.


Picture of a Culverin is 40lbs and can fit in it. So I would say yes almost any other weapon could fit in it.

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