Gaining Monk lvls for a chaotic netural PC without changing alignment


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Title says it all. I am playing as a half-elf whose alignment is chaotic neutral. Would love to take a lvl dip into the unchained monk with the scaled fist archetype. But monks can only be lawful. The PC is already at 5th lvl. Is there any way around this.


Not as a Half-Elf, not for Chaotic Neutral, and not for Unchained Monk. If two of these were different I could offer options.

Why the dip? You may be able to get some of the benefits elsewhere.


Sundakan wrote:

Not as a Half-Elf, not for Chaotic Neutral, and not for Unchained Monk. If two of these were different I could offer options.

Why the dip? You may be able to get some of the benefits elsewhere.

Charisma to AC, I am playing an unchained summoner synthesist with an azata eidolon, I could change my alignment to chaotic good or neutral good and still keep my eidolon. GM approved this for a home campaign.


Neutral Good would work if you were an Aasimar. Unfortunately you aren't.


I am assuming your are talking about the

Enlightened Warrior (Aasimar)

You have always found it easy to maintain inner peace and enlightenment that translate well to the battlefield.

Benefit: You may take levels in monk even while maintaining a neutral or neutral good alignment.


If you're looking for Charisma to AC, consider an oracle with the Lore or Nature mysteries.


quibblemuch wrote:
If you're looking for Charisma to AC, consider an oracle with the Lore or Nature mysteries.

Yeah this could be an option too, but again I am going by what I am giving up if I mulitclass. lvl dipping can be powerful but also costly at the same time. Stunning fist unchained monk offered full bab, charisma to AC, and a bonus feat for one lvl dip. Well worth it in my opinion. Oracle not so much compared to what I have to give up.


swordfalcon wrote:
quibblemuch wrote:
If you're looking for Charisma to AC, consider an oracle with the Lore or Nature mysteries.
Yeah this could be an option too, but again I am going by what I am giving up if I mulitclass. lvl dipping can be powerful but also costly at the same time. Stunning fist unchained monk offered full bab, charisma to AC, and a bonus feat for one lvl dip. Well worth it in my opinion. Oracle not so much compared to what I have to give up.

You could try the shenanigans of talking your GM into letting you somehow apply the Martial Artist archetype to the Unchained Monk as well as the Scaled Fist.

But let's be clear--it is shenanigans. Total. Shenanigans.


quibblemuch wrote:
swordfalcon wrote:
quibblemuch wrote:
If you're looking for Charisma to AC, consider an oracle with the Lore or Nature mysteries.
Yeah this could be an option too, but again I am going by what I am giving up if I mulitclass. lvl dipping can be powerful but also costly at the same time. Stunning fist unchained monk offered full bab, charisma to AC, and a bonus feat for one lvl dip. Well worth it in my opinion. Oracle not so much compared to what I have to give up.

You could try the shenanigans of talking your GM into letting you somehow apply the Martial Artist archetype to the Unchained Monk as well as the Scaled Fist.

But let's be clear--it is shenanigans. Total. Shenanigans.

both scaled fist and the martial artist archetype are not compatible with each other. I might as well ask my gm to lift the alignment restriction instead.


Well yes. Like I said: shenanigans.


play with a dm that things alignment restrictions are bull s#+%(which they are) problem solved


Lady-J wrote:
play with a dm that things alignment restrictions are bull s+&*(which they are) problem solved

My DM/GM is cool, he has already house ruled on a couple of things. I just wanted to check if there is a legal way to multiclass into monk given my circumstances, before asking him


swordfalcon wrote:
Lady-J wrote:
play with a dm that things alignment restrictions are bull s+&*(which they are) problem solved
My DM/GM is cool, he has already house ruled on a couple of things. I just wanted to check if there is a legal way to multiclass into monk given my circumstances, before asking him

also if you dont have evasion you could go one extra level and get evasion from the unchained monk plus a bonus feat


Lady-J wrote:
swordfalcon wrote:
Lady-J wrote:
play with a dm that things alignment restrictions are bull s+&*(which they are) problem solved
My DM/GM is cool, he has already house ruled on a couple of things. I just wanted to check if there is a legal way to multiclass into monk given my circumstances, before asking him
also if you dont have evasion you could go one extra level and get evasion from the unchained monk plus a bonus feat

Already have it from my eidolon for being a synthesist.


Just out of curiosity, why do you feel the need to arrest your Eidolon's development and slow down your access to higher level spells to get CHA to AC? Your AC should already be quite high, your Hp should be through the roof and you get a sweet bonus to saves, and that's before any spells you use to buff yourself. Those extra Evo points could be used to get Improved Natural Armor if you're really bothered, or Ability Increase (Dex), all increases to AC without dipping a level in something else. Generally speaking, Dipping levels as a summoner is a bad idea.


Gavmania wrote:
Just out of curiosity, why do you feel the need to arrest your Eidolon's development and slow down your access to higher level spells to get CHA to AC? Your AC should already be quite high, your Hp should be through the roof and you get a sweet bonus to saves, and that's before any spells you use to buff yourself. Those extra Evo points could be used to get Improved Natural Armor if you're really bothered, or Ability Increase (Dex), all increases to AC without dipping a level in something else. Generally speaking, Dipping levels as a summoner is a bad idea.

True, like I said I get charisma to AC, a free bonus feat, and +1 bab for just one lvl dip into monk. I think it would be worth it. Also my saves are not that good, I don't get my eidolon's saving throw stats, just the summoners(5 for fort, 5 for reflex, and 6 for will at lvl 5 right now.) And they kinda of nerfed the unchained eidolon's evolutions a bit too. One example would be the large evolution. I have a 28 AC(with mage armor) right now at 5th lvl, but for some reason my gm has a way of hitting me even with that high of defense. Most of the AC items we find are going to the other characters who have a lower AC then me. Haven't had a chance to buy any yet either.


Arcane Armor Training allows for the use of a mithral kikko with no need for proficiency (since there's zero armor check penalty), which is 5AC plus whatever enhancement you toss on it. A mithral light shield has zero armor check penalty or arcane failure issues, and your hand is still free to hold things (so you can still cast easily by switching whatever is in your main-hand into your shield hand for a moment). Put together with some simple enhancements, they're worth a lot of extra AC. The one down-side of Arcane Armor Training is that you need a swift action on any round you cast a spell (but only on rounds you cast a spell).

Edit: You can also cross a level of Oracle with a CHA Revelation with using Arcane Armor Training, since the CHA AC boost from Oracle works with armor.

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Pay for spellcasting of an atonement, take the level of monk. Revert to old ways. Lose the ability to take further monk levels bit retain what you had. In character maybe you character "wanted to make a change of heart and become a monk, started to learn the basics, and then was like, this sucks, I'm going to leave."


BadBird wrote:

Arcane Armor Training allows for the use of a mithral kikko with no need for proficiency (since there's zero armor check penalty), which is 5AC plus whatever enhancement you toss on it. A mithral light shield has zero armor check penalty or arcane failure issues, and your hand is still free to hold things (so you can still cast easily by switching whatever is in your main-hand into your shield hand for a moment). Put together with some simple enhancements, they're worth a lot of extra AC. The one down-side of Arcane Armor Training is that you need a swift action on any round you cast a spell (but only on rounds you cast a spell).

Edit: You can also cross a level of Oracle with a CHA Revelation with using Arcane Armor Training, since the CHA AC boost from Oracle works with armor.

cant wear armor as a synthesist


Is there any chance you can gain three mythic ranks and pick up the Beyond Morality power?

I know... A little too iffy...


Lady-J wrote:
cant wear armor as a synthesist

Ah, Synthesist. Missed that.

Anyhow, considering that you can take Dual-Cursed Oracle and use Extra Revelation to grab the incredibly powerful Misfortune Revelation, I'd say Oracle is a very strong dip option as well. Using Misfortune to break saving throws and thwart crits and such with immediate actions is pretty nuts.


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Backpack wrote:
Pay for spellcasting of an atonement, take the level of monk. Revert to old ways. Lose the ability to take further monk levels bit retain what you had. In character maybe you character "wanted to make a change of heart and become a monk, started to learn the basics, and then was like, this sucks, I'm going to leave."

"They expected me to do pushups. Like, every dang day with the pushups. That wasn't in the brochure. I just thought I was going to stand around one-legged on dock pilings until I learned how to stop a guy's heart with a finger jab."


MageHunter wrote:

Is there any chance you can gain three mythic ranks and pick up the Beyond Morality power?

I know... A little too iffy...

No mythic powers for this AP or campaign.


BadBird wrote:
Lady-J wrote:
cant wear armor as a synthesist

Ah, Synthesist. Missed that.

Anyhow, considering that you can take Dual-Cursed Oracle and use Extra Revelation to grab the incredibly powerful Misfortune Revelation, I'd say Oracle is a very strong dip option as well. Using Misfortune to break saving throws and thwart crits and such with immediate actions is pretty nuts.

You can wear armor as a synthesist, but when you are fused with your eidolon you lose the benefits of your armor.

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