Tiny pc race


Rules Questions


Is there any tiny pc races, looking to make a gundam pilot.


There are none. If there were they'd have to make terrible spellcasters. Spells don't change damage die based on caster size.

Grand Lodge

Kitsune can be permanently Tiny with Fox Shape, if that helps at all?

Otherwise, permanent Reduce Person on a Small race?


If you are a beast-bonded witch, you could possibly become a permanently dimunitive or fine sized character if your lucky.

It would require you to find a sprite, take over its body, then cast permanent reduce person on yourself.

Wallah, a fine sized character.


Azten wrote:
There are none. If there were they'd have to make terrible spellcasters. Spells don't change damage die based on caster size.

No, they'd make terrible martials b/c of the extremely low dmg dice. They make great casters b/c their size grant them a bonus to hit and AC: M:0 S:+1 T:+2 D:+4 F:+8. Also the get massive bonuses to stealth and fly for their size, so they're as I said great casters.

As for the OP's Q?; no, there aren't any tiny or smaller playable races, but I wish there were. The closest would be possessing something that small, and if you want reduce person + permanency. BTW, you said "Tiny," well being small and having reduce person + permanency cast on you makes you tiny forever.


Jae Wolftail wrote:
Azten wrote:
There are none. If there were they'd have to make terrible spellcasters. Spells don't change damage die based on caster size.

No, they'd make terrible martials b/c of the extremely low dmg dice. They make great casters b/c their size grant them a bonus to hit and AC: M:0 S:+1 T:+2 D:+4 F:+8. Also the get massive bonuses to stealth and fly for their size, so they're as I said great casters.

As for the OP's Q?; no, there aren't any tiny or smaller playable races, but I wish there were. The closest would be possessing something that small, and if you want reduce person + permanency. BTW, you said "Tiny," well being small and having reduce person + permanency cast on you makes you tiny forever.

He meant they'd have to be tiny for game balance. A tiny caster has a lot of advantages over a small or medium one.

Scarab Sages

Damage die is mostly irrelevant. Most damage comes from static modifiers. With a tiny pc, you can do massive damage with a dex to damage option. See the songbird of doom for an example.


Imbicatus wrote:
Damage die is mostly irrelevant. Most damage comes from static modifiers. With a tiny pc, you can do massive damage with a dex to damage option. See the songbird of doom for an example.

Haven't seen that before. Here's the thing though, OP wanted to be a tiny not-bird and most likely want to use construct armor w/ a golem of some sort. So caster would be the way to go here, both to make the construct and to have utility for the party.


You could stick an extradimensional space in the construct big enough on the inside to hold a Small creature but half or a quarter that on the outside. (Presumably the boundary stretches a bit to let you in and out, or something.) That gets you a pilot w/o going to great lengths to shrink them.

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