Nique29 |
So one of my players wants to play an Elf. A large portion (including the opening sequence) of the first book has prominent nightmares/dreaming/sleeping scenarios. Withe elves either not sleeping at all or editating for a few hours a night (depending on where you look) AND being imune to sleep...
How do I encorporate this with the Elf? Its a psychic/mind effect? Its hallucinatins with no/impossible saves? He slept because reasons?
QuidEst |
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QuidEst wrote:Yep, elves sleep the same as anybody else. They can't be magically forced to sleep, though, which is still very useful.One wonders how or why they're immune to sleep effects if they sleep naturally.
*shrugs* They're immune, like they're immune to a ghoul's paralysis. As for why, it was probably included as a reference to or holdover from the 3.5 version.
David knott 242 |
Dragons are immune to sleep, and still sleep naturally.
Ditto for Half-Elves.
It actually became a point of amusement for my Half-Elf Summoner. The Summoner had to sleep normally but was immune to magical sleep effects. His eidolon did not sleep normally but could be magically put to sleep. I had the eidolon freak out when she woke up from a magical sleep effect, since it was such a new and unnerving experience for her.
Rysky |
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Spatula wrote:Dragons are immune to sleep, and still sleep naturally.Which is just as nonsensical, and doesn't even have the excuse of being grandfathered in from a time when it did make sense, because AFAIK dragons have always slept and been immune to sleep.
Immune to effects that forcefully put them to sleep, not immune to needing to sleep themselves.
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Yeah, I just look at it as a sort of "strength of mind" ability. Elves (the original "anything you can do, I can do better" race, per Tolkien) are resistant to enchantments (+2 bonus) and straight-up immune to sleep.
Think of forcing someone to sleep as a sort of basic, brute-force mental assault. Elves' minds are too sophisticated for blunt assaults like that, and are resistant to more sophisticated enchantments. Same for dragons.
Ataraxias |
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QuidEst wrote:Yep, elves sleep the same as anybody else. They can't be magically forced to sleep, though, which is still very useful.One wonders how or why they're immune to sleep effects if they sleep naturally.
The recently released Healer's Handbook says a legendary Bard by the name of Sylandurla climbed Pharasma's Boneyard and sung 8,008 songs to win it for the entire Elven race.
gustavo iglesias |
QuidEst wrote:Yep, elves sleep the same as anybody else. They can't be magically forced to sleep, though, which is still very useful.One wonders how or why they're immune to sleep effects if they sleep naturally.
Same way lvl 20 Monks with the martial artist archetype are inmune to death effects (like a finger of death), but still can die naturally.