Fey Trickster casting stat: Wisdom or Charisma?


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What is the Fey Trickster casting stat? Is it wisdom or charisma?
All the base class and even the archetypes abilities are charisma-based, yet it says

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Nature's Lure

Rather than casting psychic spells from the mesmerist spell list, a fey trickster casts divine spells drawn from the druid and ranger spell lists, in just the same way as a hunter does. This means that she gains orisons instead of knacks. This doesn't change her number of spells per day or spells known. The fey trickster's mesmerist spells and spell-like abilities count as if they were fey spell-like abilities for the purpose of effects like resist nature's lure that apply against fey spell-like abilities.

This alters the mesmerist's spellcasting.

and the hunter class says

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Spell Casting

A hunter casts divine spells drawn from the druid and ranger spell lists. Only druid spells of 6th level and lower and ranger spells are considered to be part of the hunter spell list. If a spell appears on both the druid and ranger spell lists, the hunter uses the lower of the two spell levels listed for the spell. For instance, reduce animal is a 2nd-level druid spell and a 3rd-level ranger spell, making it a 2nd-level hunter spell. Likewise, detect poison is a 0-level druid spell and a 2nd-level ranger spell, making it a 0-level hunter spell. The hunter can cast any spell she knows without preparing it ahead of time. To learn or cast a spell, a hunter must have a Wisdom score equal to at least 10 + the spell's level. The Difficulty Class for a saving throw against a hunter's spell is 10 + the spell's level + the hunter's Wisdom modifier.

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In addition, there's the Feyspeaker druid archetype that makes the druid cast on charisma rather than wisdom, so it seems to me rather odd that a charisma based spellcasting would become wisdom based upon contact with the feywild, while a wisdom based spellcasting would instead become charisma based in the same circumstance.


It casts using wisdom.

The fey are nothing if not fickle.


Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

I always read it as just using hunter mechanics and spells, rather than the hunter's casting stat as well, but it's pretty ambiguous so faq'd.

Dark Archive

I'd also like to know this. I really hope it is intended to change the casting stat to wisdom. It'd make up for the loss of towering ego. As is, it feels like a pretty bad trade for what you get.

Designer

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An archetype will always tell you if it swaps out the ability score; fey trickster does not, as Krinn suspected, so it casts using Charisma. "In the same way a hunter does" is modifying drawing the spells from the two lists (describing how to decide what the spell level is with a conflict), as a faster way of saying

Hunter wrote:
A hunter casts divine spells drawn from the druid and ranger spell lists. Only druid spells of 6th level and lower and ranger spells are considered to be part of the hunter spell list. If a spell appears on both the druid and ranger spell lists, the hunter uses the lower of the two spell levels given for the spell. For instance, reduce animal is a 2nd-level druid spell and a 3rd-level ranger spell, making it a 2nd-level hunter spell. Likewise, detect poison is a 0-level druid spell and a 2nd-level ranger spell, making it a 0-level hunter spell.

It's easier to see the parallel when you compare the bolded part of the above quote to the text in fey trickster.

Dark Archive

Wow, thanks for the really quick response, Mr. Seifter! (even though I wasn't in a position to quickly see it ^^)

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