Partial Charge, does it include an attack as written?


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A player in my group argued that since "attacking on a charge" is in a different and subsequent section, partial charge only includes movement, and no attacks.

I believe he's wrong because the basic charge includes the attack in the full-round action, and the partial charge is still a charge, with some specific caveats. Such caveats don't say you can't attack. However, we couldn't agree about it.
He believes that "you can only move up to your speed instead of double your speed" means literally "you can only move (not move and attack)"
I believe that's a wrong reading, as the word "instead" indicates that the phrase states a limitation for movement only, not on the whole charge

What is your opinion on this?


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The "partial charge" action doesn't exist in Pathfinder, it's all lumped together in the Charge rules. Here's the relevant paragraph.

Charge Rules wrote:
If you are able to take only a standard action on your turn, you can still charge, but you are only allowed to move up to your speed (instead of up to double your speed) and you cannot draw a weapon unless you possess the Quick Draw feat. You can't use this option unless you are restricted to taking only a standard action on your turn.

So your interpretation is correct.

This is how zombies get to attack. Otherwise they'd just shuffle forward innefectually

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The other player is wrong.

Otherwise the partial charge would be no different than normal movement.

A charge is an attack. A partial charge is an attack. The only thing that partial charge changes is exactly what it says it changes, that you only move your normal movement instead of double when making a charge attack.


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So let me get this straight. This player thinks that a "partial charge" involves moving up to the character's speed in a straight line and not through rough terrain, all to do... what, exactly? Run up to another creature and smile at them aggressively? He's basically reading Partial Charge as a mechanically inferior Move that takes up your Standard action. How many times was he dropped on his head as a kid?


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Play this for your player he's earned it

Why . the. hell would you not just call it a move?

Charging is a special full-round action that allows you to move up to twice your speed and attack during the action. Charging, however, carries tight restrictions on how you can move.

ttacking on a Charge

After moving, you may make a single melee attack. You get a +2 bonus on the attack roll and take a –2 penalty to your AC until the start of your next turn.

f you are able to take only a standard action on your turn, you can still charge, but you are only allowed to move up to your speed (instead of up to double your speed) and you cannot draw a weapon unless you possess the Quick Draw feat. You can't use this option unless you are restricted to taking only a standard action on your turn.

That didn't change the ability to attack. So YES, you definitely can charge and attack


Yeah, you should point out to your player that if a partial charge only allowed you to move your normal speed and not make an attack that would literally just be called a Move action. It would literally be no different from just taking a move action.

And that's why he's obviously wrong.


Claxon wrote:

Yeah, you should point out to your player that if a partial charge only allowed you to move your normal speed and not make an attack that would literally just be called a Move action. It would literally be no different from just taking a move action.

And that's why he's obviously wrong.

That's not true. It wouldn't be the same as a move action.

It would be a move action with heinous restrictions, an AC penalty and vulnerability to Brace weapons. That is totally different.


Snowblind wrote:
Claxon wrote:

Yeah, you should point out to your player that if a partial charge only allowed you to move your normal speed and not make an attack that would literally just be called a Move action. It would literally be no different from just taking a move action.

And that's why he's obviously wrong.

That's not true. It wouldn't be the same as a move action.

It would be a move action with heinous restrictions, an AC penalty and vulnerability to Brace weapons. That is totally different.

Also, it would be a move action with all those restrictions... and it takes a standard action to use.

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