My body has finally started rebelling against the sudden onset of this stuff called exercise, lol. I'm pretty sure I have gotten more exercise during the last week than during my last four years combined.
Glad to hear you are getting out and getting moving. In perfect honesty that is the best thing about this game, and I sort of hope it becomes a trend in mobile games. We have this magic device in our pockets. Might as well have it be entertaining and have a positive impact in our lives.
Apparently Pokemon Go is now suffering from a DDoS attack. I figured it wouldn't take very long before that happened.
Or it was Saturday and it just opened in parts of Europe
Or both, actually.
I forget the name of it but a hacker group claimed credit for ddosing pokemone go on Saturday. I am sure the roll out didn't help. But for instance their roll out to the UK was (relatively) smooth. It was problably mostly the attack that caused the issues. I expect Niantic is probably not used to this kind of publicity, and thus this much risk of doughbags going after them.
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Well, I've come up with something that I think I don't like about this game. It seems that, in terms of fighting ability, pokemon have a rather limited "shelf life". It seems to stem from the fact that (A) all your critters' max CP increases as you gain levels, and (B) the CP of a wild pokemon you encounter can be anywhere on the available spectrum for your level.
For example:
I caught a bunch of Spearows and eventually evolved a Fearow. The Spearow I chose for evolving was the highest-CP one I had; the gauge was nearly at max. Thus, the Fearow had the same "relative" CP (i.e., nearly max on the CP arc). Best Fearow I could hope for. But then a few levels later, the cap has raised. My Fearow is no longer "nearly max CP", and then I randomly encounter a wild Fearow that is nearly max CP, and it's about 100CP higher than the one I evolved.
From that point on, my old Fearow is basically obsolete , and the only value of the original Fearow was whatever fights he was able to win in the time between evolving him and finding the better one.
Which was about two or three days.
Really? So I could spend who knows how long gathering enough redundant pokemon to evolve my best one, then have it exist near the top of my roster for just however long it takes me to run across a stronger replacement?
Clearly, the "Power Up" option seems to be the way to help your current strongest pokemon remain relevant, but can that even keep up? I mean, assuming that the pokemon you evolve is, at time of evolution, as close to the top of the curve as you could ever reasonably expect to find (meaning, if you found a high-power "replacement" a mere 5 minutes later, it wouldn't be any stronger than what you evolved), and then every time you level up (raising the CP cap) you power up that pokemon, would that do it? If you do one power up for each level gained since acquisition, will they "keep up"?
Even if the answer to the above is "yes", can you even DO that? Stardust costs keep rising, and you never gain stardust without gaining XP (thus causing you to level up, which means you need another power up...). And then you have to do that for AT LEAST six pokemon.
And if that isn't enough to keep up, then that means your best bet will always be whatever your most recent good catch was, and you just cycle through them constantly, replacing with new catches whichever ones have fallen behind. But then that would mean that the entire power up mechanic (the only use for stardust) is completely meaningless.
Am I missing something?
Am I missing something?
I think that covers it.
I assume the idea was to make catching new Pokémon relevant at all stages, so you didn't just find a balanced team, and grind them to higher power levels at gyms all day or something. But it is sad that you don't get the same "hand-picked dream team" vibe like you do in the original games.
Think there's enough stardust in the "micro-economy" to allow a single favorite to "keep up"? Or maybe two? That'd at least be something.
I find that I have enough stardust to keep about two of my favorite pokemon at the max CP as I level up.
I will say though that when you reach level 20 the game slows down a lot. You won't be cycling through pokemon nearly as quickly. I need 100,000 exp to get from level 22 to 23.
Good to hear. If I finally caught my 100 Magikarp and got a Gyarados and he only stayed relevant for a weekend, I'd be pretty pissed.
Im level 23 now, I have been able to keep 3 powered up with my stardust, a snorlax a gyarados and Exeggutor. They need to start near the top of your power curve and you basically put all your stardust into a couple.
That said I definitely think we don't get enough stardust. Particularly for higher levels.
Yeah Jiggy - that plus the lackluster battle system are the reasons that I haven't started playing. If they ever fix those things, I may pick it up.
Basically - it sounds like an interesting exploration game with the pokémon stuff tacked on for flavor/nostalgia.
A more robust battle system including direct player v player and turn based traditional pokemon battles are apparently in the list of key updates along with trading. So it will be there eventually. When is hard to say.
Yay! I caught a cp 1800 snorlax last night! I saw it on the list while I was in my townhouse, and went out hunting for it even though the finder wasn't working. I think I managed to find it *just* before it disappeared. Just a minute after I caught it two cars came by searching for the same thing, but they weren't able to find it.
Now, if only I could find more snorelax candy. I think that thing is probably going to be stuck at 1800 forever, but at least that is a nice high number.
crowdsourced pokemon finder. I got it to work for a very short time last night, but they are hammering google maps harder than google allows without approval.
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I think I managed to find it *just* before it disappeared. Just a minute after I caught it two cars came by searching for the same thing, but they weren't able to find it.
Actually, I think the reason they couldn't find it is because you caught it. Near as I can tell, the only way to catch the same pokemon as someone else is if the second person initiates the "battle" process before the first person has finished catching it.
I think I managed to find it *just* before it disappeared. Just a minute after I caught it two cars came by searching for the same thing, but they weren't able to find it.Actually, I think the reason they couldn't find it is because you caught it. Near as I can tell, the only way to catch the same pokemon as someone else is if the second person initiates the "battle" process before the first person has finished catching it.
I haven't noticed this to be true at all
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I haven't noticed this to be true at allI think I managed to find it *just* before it disappeared. Just a minute after I caught it two cars came by searching for the same thing, but they weren't able to find it.Actually, I think the reason they couldn't find it is because you caught it. Near as I can tell, the only way to catch the same pokemon as someone else is if the second person initiates the "battle" process before the first person has finished catching it.
You probably wouldn't notice it if you're usually playing by yourself.
The bulk of the time I'm playing, I'm within arm's reach of my wife, and we try to catch the same pokemon, which appear in the same spot at the same time on both our phones. Every time that we both get into the ball-throwing screen before either of us completes the catch, we're both able to catch the same pokemon (barring app crashes and the like). Every time one of us has "jumped the gun" by eagerly catching the pokemon without waiting for the other, if the first of us has finished catching, the pokemon is no longer on the map for the other of us to grab.
There have been no exceptions, across 13 levels of play, with 90% of the time being side-by-side. So I'm pretty convinced this is how it works.
On the flipside, I have three people in my household, most of which are usually playing it simultaneously. If I catch something, or someone else does, they tell me where it is, and I can still go get it.
Usually the CP is different (hilariously, despite my brother's level being higher, I usually get the higher CP 'Mon), but the same type.
On the flipside, I have three people in my household, most of which are usually playing it simultaneously. If I catch something, or someone else does, they tell me where it is, and I can still go get it.
Usually the CP is different (hilariously, despite my brother's level being higher, I usually get the higher CP 'Mon), but the same type.
This has been my experience. I caught a magmar at the park, then told my brother and 2 other people they had to go down the hill a little to see it, and they were all able to catch it.
This has been my experience. I caught a magmar at the park, then told my brother and 2 other people they had to go down the hill a little to see it, and they were all able to catch it.On the flipside, I have three people in my household, most of which are usually playing it simultaneously. If I catch something, or someone else does, they tell me where it is, and I can still go get it.
Usually the CP is different (hilariously, despite my brother's level being higher, I usually get the higher CP 'Mon), but the same type.
Yea as far as I can tell, the spawns are for everyone. When I have played with friends (or a random crowd) multiple people have been able to catch the rare spawns at the same location. The only issue is a difference in level. That affects which spawns you see.
As an addendum to the discussion on maintaining a small number of your pokemon, I have come to experience something new. Because as you level it takes significantly more xp to get to the next level but the tasks don't start granting any more xp, the space between levels is much larger as you get higher. This means that you get much more stardust as you level unless you take serious pains to do lucky egg tricks (save 50 evolution or have all your eggs right on the edge of hatching, pop a lucky egg then do all of it at once). And even then it still takes doing more stuff.
This means that as you get higher level it becomes far more manageable to keep a set of your pokemon near the top of their CP scale for your level as you level up. I now have 7 pokemon that I can keep maxed out by powering them up and don't have to evolve replacements for and I am still a ways off my next level (once you reach max cp you cant power it up again until you level). So I think once you get into the mid 20's in level it will be relatively simple (so long as you keep a candy supply) to keep whatever your dream team of 6-8 pokemon is at peak performance for your level and not have to constantly catch or evolve replacements. You will need to keep catching more pokemon of the same type to keep your supply up, but that should just come as a consequence of playing in the same places you caught them initially.
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You will need to keep catching more pokemon of the same type to keep your supply up, but that should just come as a consequence of playing in the same places you caught them initially.
I think this fact just knocked about a dozen pokemon off my dream team candidate list. :/
I'm hoping that they are planning to rebalance some of the pokemon's power levels into something that more closely resembles the original games. I've been reading the charts, and having random things like Executor, Vaporeon, and Arcanine being higher tier than the starter pokemon seems odd. Well, Vaporeon was always good, but it is a little too easy to get in this game.
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I'm hoping that they are planning to rebalance some of the pokemon's power levels into something that more closely resembles the original games. I've been reading the charts, and having random things like Executor, Vaporeon, and Arcanine being higher tier than the starter pokemon seems odd. Well, Vaporeon was always good, but it is a little too easy to get in this game.
If memory serves, Exeggcutor was one of the top ten most powerful pokemon in generation 1, so it's not weird for him to be strong either. (And, interestingly, the only starter to make that list was Blastoise.) Arcanine would be the only weird one there.
Also, where are you reading these charts? I was just thinking I'd like to find a place to research evolution costs and power tiers so I don't waste any effort/stardust.
He is referring to the 'tier' list of which pokemon get the most cp per power up. But its already abundantly clear that cp alone doenst determine power. But snorlax, lapras, gyrarados and edeggutor sitting at the not of the power chart makes a lot of sense in the context of the original 150. That and charizard, blastoise, and venosaur are very nearly top tier in cp with way better attacks. So it actually does fit the source material of red and blue. The starters while powerful when fully evolved were not the end all be all.
Starters in most gens are crap, tier-wise, especially the Gen 1 starters. The only starters that are close to top tier power-wise that I know of are Blaziken and Marshtomp.
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He is referring to the 'tier' list of which pokemon get the most cp per power up.
Where would I find this list?
But its already abundantly clear that cp alone doenst determine power.
Are you just referring to moves and types, or something else?
That and charizard, blastoise, and venosaur are very nearly top tier in cp with way better attacks.
Define "way better attacks". Any rules of thumb for what's considered a good or bad attack (beyond "higher power is better")?
He is referring to the 'tier' list of which pokemon get the most cp per power up. But its already abundantly clear that cp alone doenst determine power. But snorlax, lapras, gyrarados and edeggutor sitting at the not of the power chart makes a lot of sense in the context of the original 150. That and charizard, blastoise, and venosaur are very nearly top tier in cp with way better attacks. So it actually does fit the source material of red and blue. The starters while powerful when fully evolved were not the end all be all.
I have no problem with most of the pokemon on the top of the tier list. Arcanine and Vaporeon are the only ones that seem weird to me, lol.
from what I can tell, attacks have stats that you can't see. Most notably, attack speed, which affects how quickly you can mash the button. I haven't done any experimentation though.
He is referring to the 'tier' list of which pokemon get the most cp per power up. But its already abundantly clear that cp alone doenst determine power. But snorlax, lapras, gyrarados and edeggutor sitting at the not of the power chart makes a lot of sense in the context of the original 150. That and charizard, blastoise, and venosaur are very nearly top tier in cp with way better attacks. So it actually does fit the source material of red and blue. The starters while powerful when fully evolved were not the end all be all.I have no problem with most of the pokemon on the top of the tier list. Arcanine and Vaporeon are the only ones that seem weird to me, lol.
Arcanine is a rarish pokemon that requires a special item to evolve. Its even been reffered to in the anime as legendary (even though it isn't actually legendary). Also in the anime, I remember one episode where an Arcanine wrecks one of ashes Water Type pokemon (something a fire pokemon should have trouble with). Another episode didnt it keep up with flying pokemone in a race? I seem to remember it being rather badass back in the day. Its not really out of place at the top of the heap.
I don't remember much about the evee trio, but its obvious the game is playing them up pretty hard, (all 3 are pretty solid at or near the top of their energy heap) with an evee being among the 10k egg possibilities, it seems justified at least within go. Not sure about in the original source material.
from what I can tell, attacks have stats that you can't see. Most notably, attack speed, which affects how quickly you can mash the button. I haven't done any experimentation though.
There are clearly a number of stats hidden in the attacks. Attack speed and attak power are clearly not the same for all quick and charge attacks. Plus the type of attack matters heavily when dealing with specific pokemon.
Wait, Eevee is a 10k egg pokemon? I am *flooded* with eevee around my house. I have 8 of them evolved, so I was assuming they were a low tier pokemon that was oddly powerful, lol.
Wait, Eevee is a 10k egg pokemon? I am *flooded* with eevee around my house. I have 8 of them evolved, so I was assuming they were a low tier pokemon that was oddly powerful, lol.
No They are rare. There are however fixed locations that tend to spawn one kind of pokemon that could be rare. So that must be what's near your house. For example the museum of natural history in new York is a charmander spawn point, but aside from there I think I have encountered 1 charmander in the wild.
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Wait, Eevee is a 10k egg pokemon? I am *flooded* with eevee around my house. I have 8 of them evolved, so I was assuming they were a low tier pokemon that was oddly powerful, lol.
Me too. The neighborhood is figuring this out and we're getting more and more people slowly walking & stopping near our house. Time to weed the garden and make it a bit more presentable I guess!
Yeah, at this point almost every gym I see is using eevee evolves. At my desk I catch maybe 5-10 a day. I've found a half-dozen or so places that eevee is almost always there, and myself am sporting 10 CP 1K+ eevee evolves.
Yeah, at this point almost every gym I see is using eevee evolves. At my desk I catch maybe 5-10 a day. I've found a half-dozen or so places that eevee is almost always there, and myself am sporting 10 CP 1K+ eevee evolves.
Interesting, they are good at taking gyms, not so much at holding them. Most of the gyms around here are held by exeggutors, snorlax, gyrados, or dragonnites. With the occasional seemingly comical but actually kind of clever chanseys (low cp but crazy high hp)
Also, Sara you should do what a friend of mines daughter did, she set up a refreshment shop since a sign just outside their yard was a popular pokestop. Industrious little Tike that one.
Wait, Eevee is a 10k egg pokemon? I am *flooded* with eevee around my house. I have 8 of them evolved, so I was assuming they were a low tier pokemon that was oddly powerful, lol.Me too. The neighborhood is figuring this out and we're getting more and more people slowly walking & stopping near our house. Time to weed the garden and make it a bit more presentable I guess!
Or plant some bellsprouts, for a visitor-free environment. =)
So, nobody's going to actually share the reference materials? Not so much as a "Google [searchterm]", let alone a link?
I just did a search for 'pokemon go power levels'. There's stuff about actual power leveling, but one of the links shows a power chart.
Yeah, at this point almost every gym I see is using eevee evolves. At my desk I catch maybe 5-10 a day. I've found a half-dozen or so places that eevee is almost always there, and myself am sporting 10 CP 1K+ eevee evolves.Interesting, they are good at taking gyms, not so much at holding them. Most of the gyms around here are held by exeggutors, snorlax, gyrados, or dragonnites. With the occasional seemingly comical but actually kind of clever chanseys (low cp but crazy high hp)
Also, Sara you should do what a friend of mines daughter did, she set up a refreshment shop since a sign just outside their yard was a popular pokestop. Industrious little Tike that one.
I have yet to see a single one of anything you named. Once again, I think we are seeing the huge disparity in how this game is playing out in major metro areas vs elsewhere.
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Wait, Eevee is a 10k egg pokemon? I am *flooded* with eevee around my house. I have 8 of them evolved, so I was assuming they were a low tier pokemon that was oddly powerful, lol.Me too. The neighborhood is figuring this out and we're getting more and more people slowly walking & stopping near our house. Time to weed the garden and make it a bit more presentable I guess!
Don't forget the Landmines and bear traps!
Edit: just saw Hama's post that wasn't there when I hit reply.
... well now I feel like I dick.
Actually no, it passed. I feel fine.
So, nobody's going to actually share the reference materials? Not so much as a "Google [searchterm]", let alone a link?
Try this one, not sure about accuracy, but looks good to me.
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So, nobody's going to actually share the reference materials? Not so much as a "Google [searchterm]", let alone a link?
Apologies, I meant to post the link, I just got distracted at work, the one elcaleeb posted is the one I was referring to.
I have yet to see a single one of anything you named. Once again, I think we are seeing the huge disparity in how this game is playing out in major metro areas vs elsewhere.Yeah, at this point almost every gym I see is using eevee evolves. At my desk I catch maybe 5-10 a day. I've found a half-dozen or so places that eevee is almost always there, and myself am sporting 10 CP 1K+ eevee evolves.Interesting, they are good at taking gyms, not so much at holding them. Most of the gyms around here are held by exeggutors, snorlax, gyrados, or dragonnites. With the occasional seemingly comical but actually kind of clever chanseys (low cp but crazy high hp)
Really? Interesting. I guess things will shape up differently in different areas. Where I work Gyrarado are sort of easy to achieve with a little time (took me a little over a week for my first on with just lunch break walks along the water). But basically no eevees. I am sure availability matters, though I think most dragonites, and snorlax are coming out of 10k eggs.
I would say Dragonites don't come from eggs. They are evolved pokemon, y'know?
I have yet to see a single one of anything you named. Once again, I think we are seeing the huge disparity in how this game is playing out in major metro areas vs elsewhere.Yeah, at this point almost every gym I see is using eevee evolves. At my desk I catch maybe 5-10 a day. I've found a half-dozen or so places that eevee is almost always there, and myself am sporting 10 CP 1K+ eevee evolves.Interesting, they are good at taking gyms, not so much at holding them. Most of the gyms around here are held by exeggutors, snorlax, gyrados, or dragonnites. With the occasional seemingly comical but actually kind of clever chanseys (low cp but crazy high hp)
Really? Interesting. I guess things will shape up differently in different areas. Where I work Gyrarado are sort of easy to achieve with a little time (took me a little over a week for my first on with just lunch break walks along the water). But basically no eevees. I am sure availability matters, though I think most dragonites, and snorlax are coming out of 10k eggs.
Also player density. If 1 in 20 players is level 20+, then NYC will have thousands of players that high while I will be one of a few dozen in my area.
That being said, pretty much everyone here has eevee evolves as their strongest pokemon. They are more common than caterpie. Aside from an unusually strong pidgeon and random Magmar, of the 12 pokemon I have over 1K CP, 10 are eevee.
I spent a day trying to find magicarp and caught like 2, walking along the Hudson shoreline.
I would say Dragonites don't come from eggs. They are evolved pokemon, y'know?He probably meant that most Dragonites were being evolved from Dratinis that were hatched from 10k eggs.
This is in fact what I meant
I have yet to see a single one of anything you named. Once again, I think we are seeing the huge disparity in how this game is playing out in major metro areas vs elsewhere.Yeah, at this point almost every gym I see is using eevee evolves. At my desk I catch maybe 5-10 a day. I've found a half-dozen or so places that eevee is almost always there, and myself am sporting 10 CP 1K+ eevee evolves.Interesting, they are good at taking gyms, not so much at holding them. Most of the gyms around here are held by exeggutors, snorlax, gyrados, or dragonnites. With the occasional seemingly comical but actually kind of clever chanseys (low cp but crazy high hp)
Really? Interesting. I guess things will shape up differently in different areas. Where I work Gyrarado are sort of easy to achieve with a little time (took me a little over a week for my first on with just lunch break walks along the water). But basically no eevees. I am sure availability matters, though I think most dragonites, and snorlax are coming out of 10k eggs.
Also player density. If 1 in 20 players is level 20+, then NYC will have thousands of players that high while I will be one of a few dozen in my area.
That being said, pretty much everyone here has eevee evolves as their strongest pokemon. They are more common than caterpie. Aside from an unusually strong pidgeon and random Magmar, of the 12 pokemon I have over 1K CP, 10 are eevee.
I spent a day trying to find magicarp and caught like 2, walking along the Hudson shoreline.
I wonder how skewed the player levels are. Obviously until Niantic makes some changes (which they said they are working on at the moment) being in an urban center will level you much faster. Even Casual players are over 15 for the most part unless they just picked up the game around here.