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May I use the spell break on an NPC's armor or weapon or shield?

I found this thread which is nearly close to what I am wondering.
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r7q0?break-spell-and-non-magical-attended-item s#1

A link to break on the official pathfinder prd.
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/advancedPlayersGuide/spells/break.html


I can't see anything that says you can't ...

I'm not an expert in the area though, so ... bump?

(most spells/effects that only affect unattended objects say so, so my default here is it should be fine unless someone shows otherwise)


Yes you can. There are rules for object saving throws vs spells and special abilities like the Rust Monster's Rust attack. I don't know how to add links so I will just copy and paste below.

Saving Throws

Magical Items: Magic items always get saving throws. A magic item's Fortitude, Reflex, and Will save bonuses are equal to 2 + half its caster level. An attended magic item either makes saving throws as its owner or uses its own saving throw bonus, whichever is better.

Unattended Non-Magical Items: Non-magical, unattended items never make saving throws. They are considered to have failed their saving throws, so they are always fully affected by spells and other attacks that allow saving throws to resist or negate. An item attended by a character (being grasped, touched, or worn) makes saving throws as the character (that is, using the character's saving throw bonus).

Attended (Held/Wielded etc.) Items: Unless the descriptive text for a spell (or attack) specifies otherwise, all items carried or worn by a creature are assumed to survive a magical attack. If a creature rolls a natural 1 on its saving throw against the effect, however, an exposed item is harmed (if the attack can harm objects). Refer to Table: Items Affected by Magical Attacks to determine order in which items are affected. Determine which four objects carried or worn by the creature are most likely to be affected and roll randomly among them. The randomly determined item must make a saving throw against the attack form and take whatever damage the attack dealt. If the selected item is not carried or worn and is not magical, it does not get a saving throw. It simply is dealt the appropriate damage.


Thanks Tyrant.

Also you can see how to add links/quotes etc HERE

Scarab Sages

Heinrich Hearts wrote:
May I use the spell break on an NPC's armor or weapon or shield?

Yes, but understand that the spell only targets Small and Medium objects.

So the weapons and armor of a Large creature are going to be immune to this spell, unless they are wielding undersized weapons.

Spell also allows SR, though I've not been able to clearly understand if that means the object itself requires having SR, or it if is conferred by creatures with SR.

Still, it's a neat spell, especially against lower level opponents.


Murdock Mudeater wrote:
Heinrich Hearts wrote:
May I use the spell break on an NPC's armor or weapon or shield?

Yes, but understand that the spell only targets Small and Medium objects.

So the weapons and armor of a Large creature are going to be immune to this spell, unless they are wielding undersized weapons.

or they're wielding one-handed or light weapons.

Scarab Sages

Cuenta wrote:
Murdock Mudeater wrote:
Heinrich Hearts wrote:
May I use the spell break on an NPC's armor or weapon or shield?

Yes, but understand that the spell only targets Small and Medium objects.

So the weapons and armor of a Large creature are going to be immune to this spell, unless they are wielding undersized weapons.

or they're wielding one-handed or light weapons.

My understanding is that Large one-handed or light weapons would still qualify as Large weapons, and therefore large objects. I could be mixing terms here, but that is my understanding.


Murdock Mudeater wrote:
Cuenta wrote:
Murdock Mudeater wrote:
Heinrich Hearts wrote:
May I use the spell break on an NPC's armor or weapon or shield?

Yes, but understand that the spell only targets Small and Medium objects.

So the weapons and armor of a Large creature are going to be immune to this spell, unless they are wielding undersized weapons.

or they're wielding one-handed or light weapons.
My understanding is that Large one-handed or light weapons would still qualify as Large weapons, and therefore large objects. I could be mixing terms here, but that is my understanding.

That "large" is "how big is the intended wielder".

Core Rulebook, page 141/144 wrote:
A weapon's size category isn't the same as its size as an object. Instead, a weapon's size category is keyed to the size of the intended wielder. In general, a light weapon is an object two size categories smaller than the wielder, a one-handed weapon is an object one size category smaller than the wielder, and a two-handed weapon is an object of the same size category as the wielder.


»One Medium or smaller object«

I read that as »One object no larger than about the same size as a medium creature«. So, perhaps a barrel or an amphora, a chest, a some-what undersized door or similar object. Surely, a longsword made for a medium creature is smaller than a medium creature?

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