Yep, throw me into the "obviously no" camp. Spells that create forces that occupy squares explicitly state that they do.
No, being an object or creature doesn't really matter. It's formless. faerie fire wouldn't work since there's nothing to outline.
It's not "formless". It's "shapeless". This term appears to most frequently be applied to garments. So, both clothes and unseen servants can be "shapeless". So, if you can't cast faerie fire on an unseen servant, then you wouldn't be able to apply it to some clothes either.
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No, being an object or creature doesn't really matter. It's formless. faerie fire wouldn't work since there's nothing to outline.It's not "formless". It's "shapeless". This term appears to most frequently be applied to garments. So, both clothes and unseen servants can be "shapeless". So, if you can't cast faerie fire on an unseen servant, then you wouldn't be able to apply it to some clothes either.
Uh, no. Clothes have shapes. "Shapeless" in the context of clothes means baggy. Pretty sure the effect of the spell isn't to summon a "loose fitting" servant.
Shapeless/Formless = nothing to outline.
No, being an object or creature doesn't really matter. It's formless. faerie fire wouldn't work since there's nothing to outline.It's not "formless". It's "shapeless". This term appears to most frequently be applied to garments. So, both clothes and unseen servants can be "shapeless". So, if you can't cast faerie fire on an unseen servant, then you wouldn't be able to apply it to some clothes either.Uh, no. Clothes have shapes. "Shapeless" in the context of clothes means baggy. Pretty sure the effect of the spell isn't to summon a "loose fitting" servant.
Shapeless/Formless = nothing to outline.
Going by your interpretation, then the servant could occupy your space, and you would be able to "wear" it as loose fitting clothing. That clothing would just be invisible. And wouldn't travel with you.
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Going by your interpretation, then the servant could occupy your space, and you would be able to "wear" it as loose fitting clothing. That clothing would just be invisible. And wouldn't travel with you.No, being an object or creature doesn't really matter. It's formless. faerie fire wouldn't work since there's nothing to outline.It's not "formless". It's "shapeless". This term appears to most frequently be applied to garments. So, both clothes and unseen servants can be "shapeless". So, if you can't cast faerie fire on an unseen servant, then you wouldn't be able to apply it to some clothes either.Uh, no. Clothes have shapes. "Shapeless" in the context of clothes means baggy. Pretty sure the effect of the spell isn't to summon a "loose fitting" servant.
Shapeless/Formless = nothing to outline.
What? No. Actually pay attention to what you're responding to.
I said they Weren't using the clothing definition for Shapeless. They are using the literal meaning of having no shape.
It's certainly an object or creature though, because it's a creation spell. And there are other creatures made of energy, so being made of energy doesn't really matter. There are probably examples of objects made of energy too though. I'm just not aware of any.
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I'm not sure that just because the creation subschool talks about 'objects or creatures' that is all that definitive. I think that a) subschool explanations are sometimes descriptive, rather than definiational, and b) that the term object or creature, as used there, may not be quite as specific as objects or creatures as used in other places in the rules.
There are certainly other creation spells that are only somewhat objects, at least objects in how Pathfinder usually deals with the term.
The fog spells for example. Fog is sort of an object but it certainly doesn't prevent movement in any way, and in the game is usually in the environmental condition category rather than the object category.
Gate/Phase Door. These are really more holes in reality than objects in and of themselves. They aren't treated in any way like other objects.
Glitterdust. Is the 'dust' an object? In a way yes, but once again, not anything that prevents movement.
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I think I've figured out how to resolve this issue, but it requires that we first determine how many Unseen Servants can dance on the head of a pin.
I'm now trying to figure out what can come from putting a near infinite number of them in the same square. I'm surprised I can't find rules for assisting someone carrying or dragging a weight.
Frick's sake, if you want a level one spell to summon something that occupies a space cast Summon Monster! It amazes me the shenanigans people try and come up with.
Frick's sake, if you want a level one spell to summon something that occupies a space cast Summon Monster! It amazes me the shenanigans people try and come up with.
But that only lasts a few seconds, as opposed to several hours, and a summoned monster can be killed with a sword. I certainly understand the desire for this particular shenanigan; if allowed, it would make unseen servant among the most powerful first level spells in the game.
I certainly understand the desire for this particular shenanigan; if allowed, it would make unseen servant among the most powerful first level spells in the game.
That's exactly why I don't understand it, and why I labeled it shenanigans. At any point does the logical part of a person's brain lend itself to thinking the spell called "unseen servant" should be one of the most powerful first level spells in the game? If the devs had wanted it to do what the OP is asking they would have renamed it "unseen combat stopping power of awesomesauceness-orama!"
I certainly understand the desire for this particular shenanigan; if allowed, it would make unseen servant among the most powerful first level spells in the game.That's exactly why I don't understand it, and why I labeled it shenanigans. At any point does the logical part of a person's brain lend itself to thinking the spell called "unseen servant" should be one of the most powerful first level spells in the game? If the devs had wanted it to do what the OP is asking they would have renamed it "unseen combat stopping power of awesomesauceness-orama!"
oddly - depending on your imagination and the situation - it does rank up there.
You can use an unseen servant to pick up weapons, hold items, open/shut doors - etc. You really don't get another spell that has the duration or versatility and the ability to change the battlefield in ways that would have otherwise cost you actions.
This spell with silent image, or even dancing lights can cause serious distractions for your opponents.
Have it caryy a tower shield and it can provide cover.
Not happening. Unseen servant can lift 20 pounds, tower shield weighs 45 lbs. It could drag the shield for you, but I don't what good that would do. Interestingly, this does bring up the idea that an unseen servant is well within the parameters of the spell to carry a heavy steel shield. Do with that whatever you will. I still wouldn't let it block movement because it has no CMD, and an angry barbarian could barrel through it like a strong gust of wind.
1 wand of Unseen Servant? 750 gp
8 Heavy Steel Shields? 160 gp
Having your own moving phalanx? Priceless...