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Yep. We don't understand. Probably never will. Might as well stop trying.
Cause that's how science goes.
Nah, keep trying. You just have have to recognize the limitations of your findings.
But when the washing machine's AI starts selling pictures of your undies to facebook, I warned you.
I don't even know why I try to keep up with you guys. :-)
Just nod and agree, it works every time.
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I've settled on laying on my side and trying to run in a counterclockwise manner.
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BNW made a statement of fact. That opened him up to impeachment of his character, or more precisely, knowledge here. Ad hominem arguments are not always attacks or falacious.No it wasn't.
There was no attack there at all.
I have to disagree.
Right now it doesn't look like you are all that informed about how and why it happened.What Belle basically said was "You are too stupid to argue with, go read a book."
That is pretty uncool and, as BNW said, a pretty clear use of abusive ad hominem.
I apologize if it was an ad hominem, but it appeared to me that BNW doesn't know the reasons for the diagnostic merger as he hasn't addressed any of them in this thread. Reading up on them could be quite informative.
There really isn't a lot of research supporting the existence of autism and Asperger syndrome as two completely different things, and plenty of research that supports them being essentially the same thing, or at least being variations of the same thing along a spectrum. The view of autism as a spectrum is well-supported and widely recognized, and is something else BNW contradicted without much support.
If we're going to talk about ad hominem, however, I suppose I could bring up just how polarizing it is to call someone abusive, especially on the basis of one sentence that was twisted into meaning something else - Pointing out that someone does not seem to be informed on a topic is not the same thing as saying they're too stupid to argue with, and nothing I said was in the ballpark of calling BNW stupid or too stupid or any kind of stupid.
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I think a lot of us have some kind of problem, be it a recognised medical condition or just an inability to get along with others or we wouldn't be sitting here on an internet forum debating :p
We'd be doing something else, like maybe dancing in a night club with friends.
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I think a lot of us have some kind of problem, be it a recognised medical condition or just an inability to get along with others or we wouldn't be sitting here on an internet forum debating :p
We'd be doing something else, like maybe dancing in a night club with friends.
Introversion is not a disorder. More than 50% of Americans are introverted despite what society says. Not wanting to go to a club is not indicative of disorder. It's indicative of introversion.
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I'm retroverted. :-)
Vote Carter '76! Disco will live forever!!!
I don't even know why I try to keep up with you guys. :-)Just nod and agree, it works every time.
If it's really stressful, just activate the *hidden* tag for the thread.
But that's not as fun. :-)
It's a good conversation for sure.
Just hard to keep up on my phone when you guys enter The Matrix. :-)
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If it's really stressful, just activate the *hidden* tag for the thread.I don't even know why I try to keep up with you guys. :-)Just nod and agree, it works every time.
That's just cap being cap. If he's not throwing out non-sequiters, it's a good sign. It means he actually likes the topic. Probably.
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Just hard to keep up on my phone when you guys enter The Matrix. :-)
Pull over first.
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Hey now, I'm responsible, I never text/post while driving. I'll never understand why people do that. :-)
And yes, as Thegreenjacketgamer says, I'm just goofing off because this is my goofing off time. It's a fascinating and lively discussion. :-)
I just realized I never said what my diagnoses are:
Autism Spectrum Disorder, ADHD, major depression, PTSD. Also one that keeps flip-flopping (everyone has a different opinion) which is psychotic depression, depression with psychotic features, or schizoaffective disorder (depressive type). Medication has been a godsend.
Ahhh, the difference between depression with psychotic symptoms and schizoaffective disorder: Are there psychotic symptoms when you are not depressed? If yes, schizoaffective. If no, depression with psychotic symptoms. It is a bit more complex, but this is the main gist of it.
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As a rule I try not to be too personal on anonymous message boards because quite frankly, I'm not too interesting. I mean yes, it's true I'm incredibly smart and sexy, have excellent taste, and my opinions are pretty much facts, but other than that I'm just a regular dude who's super cool.
Seriously though, as a psych major (who is presently in a field that has zilch to do with psychology, but oh well) I am interested in the mental state of my peers. With that said!
Is anyone else as screwed up as me?
While I cannot say if I am as screwed up or more or less so, I can say that I also suffer from mental health issues, including depression, anxiety, and panic attack disorder. I have been to therapists, been on medication, and generally am fortunate enough to consider myself in remission from the worst of my issues. I have had some very serious situations in the recent past though that make me nervous every time I feel down or nervous...because that's always a horrible feeling and gives me a little kick in the gut that says "maybe this remission is over".
Ahhh, the difference between depression with psychotic symptoms and schizoaffective disorder: Are there psychotic symptoms when you are not depressed? If yes, schizoaffective. If no, depression with psychotic symptoms. It is a bit more complex, but this is the main gist of it.
Yeah, based on that it's schizoaffective disorder, but the people diagnosing me get ideas in their heads and don't listen to me when I try to explain.
My favorite was the one who decided I didn't have anything at all and the psychosis was due to sleep deprivation, which er, never happened.
Thank you.
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Humans generally, no matter how we may think about it ourselves, crave social interaction(its wired into our system). If for some reason we don't get it in real life, then it's down to finding alternate means (internets, going to your local gamestore, playing some MNO). The internet in particular offers a kind of sanctuary, since on the internet, no one knows you're a dog or a cat for that matter. And there is shared comfort in being misfits together.
I stay in the Nightside because I belong here. With all the other monsters.
Look on the bright side, if everyone was an extrovert, we'd be too busy yelling our different views out and arguing for anything to get done. Not that we're doing anything differently now ;) I'd say the world needs balance to function.
Look on the bright side, if everyone was an extrovert, we'd be too busy yelling our different views out and arguing for anything to get done.
That's 95% of the part of the internet that's not porn. :P
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Extroverted doesn't mean argumentative. It simply means you're more comfortable around people than alone. It's how you "recharge" because being alone is draining.
Introverted is the opposite. You're more comfortable alone and being around people drains you.
You can be argumentative or not for either. It's an issue completely unrelated to the two.
Extroverted doesn't mean argumentative. It simply means you're more comfortable around people than alone. It's how you "recharge" because being alone is draining.
Introverted is the opposite. You're more comfortable alone and being around people drains you.
You can be argumentative or not for either. It's an issue completely unrelated to the two.
They correlate. Extroverts obviously spend more time around people. More time around people= more ranks in social interaction skills= better at social interaction.
THEN that takes a small, innate difference and magnifies it. Because we're not around people as often and don't have the ranks, being around people becomes less fun, so we're not around people , so we have less skills, so its less fun, so we're not around people so we have less skills so....
Just popping back in to say "Sup Mama Bear, good to see ya!"
Gotta say, BNW does seem to have a point bout the social interaction thing. It makes sense to me anyway, but as a guy with a BA in English, philosophy, history, and anthropology, I seem a little lacking on the Psychology end, so my opinion is less informed than many others here.
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That's 95% of the part of the internet that's not porn. :P
Look on the bright side, if everyone was an extrovert, we'd be too busy yelling our different views out and arguing for anything to get done.
which makes it .00001% of the internet?
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Sure you're not overestimating BNW ;)?
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These days, the porn percentage of internet use has dropped sharply. It isn't that weird. Most traffic nowadays is stuff talking to other stuff. The internet of things. House talks to your mobile phone and asks if it is time to set up the heat before you come home. Dishwasher checking with the electric net to see if now is a good time to begin.
But... what happens when your house and the dishwasher start looking at porn...?
Dishwashers have joined the rest of the human race in the search for porn? Well, the slogan IS "no exceptions".
But yeah, introverts aren't inherently disordered. The problem arises when introversion is comorbid with other issues such as social anxiety disorder or, in my case, schizoid personality disorder. However, that then becomes a chicken/egg thing. Does having social anxiety or SPD result in introverted tendencies, or does being introverted make one more prone to develop certain conditions? Who knows...
I've encountered (online) autistic people and people with social anxiety who say they're extraverted, and have no reason to doubt them. I don't really know anything about schizoid PD or avoidant PD,though.
But... what happens when your house and the dishwasher start looking at porn...?I googled dishwasher porn as a joke, thinking there would be funny pictures. It is not a joke. It is a thing.
And now, I am sadder for the knowing it.
why?
I've encountered (online) autistic people and people with social anxiety who say they're extraverted, and have no reason to doubt them. I don't really know anything about schizoid PD or avoidant PD,though.
But yeah, introverts aren't inherently disordered. The problem arises when introversion is comorbid with other issues such as social anxiety disorder or, in my case, schizoid personality disorder. However, that then becomes a chicken/egg thing. Does having social anxiety or SPD result in introverted tendencies, or does being introverted make one more prone to develop certain conditions? Who knows...
I can only think of one person I have professionally encountered for either personality disorder. The person who was schizoid had an extremely rich fantasy life with several layers of functionality, albeit poor. The avoidant guy did not like to deal with people outside of areas of comfort and relied very heavily upon sterotypes and things he learned from movies and books, growing embarrassed when his information was out of date or did not work like on tv/the book he read/internet article he saw one (and remembers in great detail).
Yeah, I should have clarified a bit: introversion and extroversion are not by themselves an indicator of mental illness. Someone can be very introverted and that's fine; likewise for extroversion. What I think it interesting, is how those personality traits manifest in people who do have a mental illness. To your point, I would imagine that suffering from social anxiety disorder and also being extroverted would be particularly crummy, because the person has that extra drive to do the thing that is so difficult for them.
I've encountered (online) autistic people and people with social anxiety who say they're extraverted, and have no reason to doubt them. I don't really know anything about schizoid PD or avoidant PD,though.
Oh definitely. I wasn't trying to suggest you had, your comment simply reminded me I'd encountered people who said they had that combination of traits. And I totally agree re: social anxiety disorder and extroversion.
I can only think of one person I have professionally encountered for either personality disorder. The person who was schizoid had an extremely rich fantasy life with several layers of functionality, albeit poor. The avoidant guy did not like to deal with people outside of areas of comfort and relied very heavily upon sterotypes and things he learned from movies and books, growing embarrassed when his information was out of date or did not work like on tv/the book he read/internet article he saw one (and remembers in great detail).
Interesting! The avoidant guy sounds like he had some autistic traits even though he may not have been autistic - or avoidant PD has some autistic traits associated. Not trying to diagnose, though. That way lies peril. Just seeing what appears to be those traits in that context is interesting.
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I'm reminded particularly today that it sucks that the only time you can call up and get some free counseling in America is when you're suicidal.
Sometimes you're just having in general and wanting to talk to someone, but not enough to kill yourself, to where one of those hotlines would be wasting valuable time for volunteers who could be talking someone off the edge. Otherwise it's just "shell out cash or GTFO" as far as counselors in this country are concerned.
I'm reminded particularly today that it sucks that the only time you can call up and get some free counseling in America is when you're suicidal.
Sometimes you're just having in general and wanting to talk to someone, but not enough to kill yourself, to where one of those hotlines would be wasting valuable time for volunteers who could be talking someone off the edge. Otherwise it's just "shell out cash or GTFO" as far as counselors in this country are concerned.
to the best if my knowledge we still have those in my area. The phone numbers(and yes, funding sources) have changed numerous times over the years.
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There's a clinic local to me that lets you call in if you're in crisis but not necessarily suicidal - but the one time I called them they kept asking me if I wanted a therapist, and I was like I just need to talk to someone right now, not at intake in three days.
I mean I needed to do intake too but that was beside the point.
The human mind is and endlessly complex and massively ugly kludge of stuff that hasn't gotten us killed off as a species yet that when it's 'working' right is still operating based on the priorities and needs of the bit we inherited from lizards (who got it from even simpler minded things).
The board of directors or the earlier central director model are pure mythology and magical thinking. If your mind is run by a director, then that director has to be run by a director. And that director has to be run by another director. And so on and so on, to infinity and beyond.
EDIT for clarity:
If you imagine a director in your mind telling the brain what to do, that director needs to order someone to actually do it. That someone can be called Grunt I. Grunt I, equally unable to effect change, then tells Grunt II what to do. And so on, through an infinite number of Grunts. Note also that this applies equally to all sorts of complicated systems. Computers, sensors, whatever. The end result, of course, is the same: Nothing CAN EVER GET DONE. It's obvious, isn't it?
There might be a board of directors, who answers only to outside laws, bosses, ect. The cast of Osmosis Jones follows their orders. Unfortunately, Mast cells in my body don't follow orders which result in allergies.
I'm going to rent Inside Out from HULU, probably after next paycheck. In any case both one director and board of directors are both valid constructs for theories. Gravity is a theory and it doesn't always work. It works enough that guardrails and kneepads were developed.
For my mental problems I use a medication, chakra meditation, a belief in God who uses reincarnation to punish suicides, and escapist entertainment as my guard rails. A lifetime lived trying to help others whenever possible is the only real cure. But guard rails are usually all you can get. Hate groups and illegal drugs offer easy answers that are complete lies.
Life is a walk across a bridge over a river of horror. A lot of things try to get me or you to jump from either side. Whatever keeps you in the middle path across the bridge is good.
I'm reminded particularly today that it sucks that the only time you can call up and get some free counseling in America is when you're suicidal.
Sometimes you're just having in general and wanting to talk to someone, but not enough to kill yourself, to where one of those hotlines would be wasting valuable time for volunteers who could be talking someone off the edge. Otherwise it's just "shell out cash or GTFO" as far as counselors in this country are concerned.
There's a bit of a schism in psychology today. Not a big one, but it's there. Basically, one camp believes that psychology/iatry exists to treat people with mental illness, while another believes that it should enrich the lives of everyone. As the director of the APA put it (and I'm paraphrasing, possibly badly), psychology is usually a thing that brings people who are functioning badly up to a normal level. He believed it could also be used to improve the lives of even "normal" people with no underlying mental issues.
The term for it is positive psychology, and the idea is simply that everyone can use a little boost now and then. Just as people attend to their physical wellness in certain ways, so too could they take care of their mental health.
I'm really oversimplifying but that's the thrust of it.
If I'm not mistaken (I so often am...) it sounds like you're in that gray area between mentally broken and normal. If that's the case, I can sympathize with you. I very often feel like I'm just going through the motions due to depression, OCD, all the rest. I certainly hope that you're able to find some relief. And everyone else too, for that matter.
For whatever that's worth.
Positive psychology is a great idea... So long as it doesn't take one penny from the budget of helping the mentally ill. There are so many ways of "getting a little boost". And psychotherapy is hardly free: a few hundred dollars for an hour, multiplied by whatever number of times per week, times fifty two, times years in therapy... Yeah. Not the cheapest of boosts.