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Prefacing this with the fact that I'm not trying to 'game' the system and make sure I'm not making a gross conceptual error.
If I play a pregen character (let's say level 7) in 4 7-11 'normal' scenarios and am holding the sheets for a character who isn't 7th yet, and then play a 3-7 with a pregen that I'd also be holding for the same character, would the character being held for be 'out of range' for the 3-7 (since they'd be at 8.1 with those four original sheets when the 3-7 'hit')?
Thank you very much for your time.
The 3-7 credit would be applied as soon as the character is level 3.Except that the chronicle held is held until the character reaches the level of the pregen played, right? So a 3-7 wouldn't be available if played with a L7 until L7?
That is correct.
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You could technically play so many lv4 pregens and apply them all to the same character that once you hit lv4 you'd jump all the way to lv20. You'd just have really bad gold for a lv20.
Wouldn't that be a way to break the level 20 barrier? Play every 7-11 with a pregen, apply the credit to a first level character , and shoot right from 7 to 30 ?
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You could technically play so many lv4 pregens and apply them all to the same character that once you hit lv4 you'd jump all the way to lv20. You'd just have really bad gold for a lv20.Wouldn't that be a way to break the level 20 barrier? Play every 7-11 with a pregen, apply the credit to a first level character , and shoot right from 7 to 30 ?
I have pondered doing that so I could claim to have a lvl 21 character, but it seems like a lot of work for some lulz.
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I have pondered doing that so I could claim to have a lvl 21 character, but it seems like a lot of work for some lulz.You could technically play so many lv4 pregens and apply them all to the same character that once you hit lv4 you'd jump all the way to lv20. You'd just have really bad gold for a lv20.Wouldn't that be a way to break the level 20 barrier? Play every 7-11 with a pregen, apply the credit to a first level character , and shoot right from 7 to 30 ?
DM credit dump?
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I think you would need to apply the 3-7 credit to a different character.
Per the Roleplaying Guild Guide, "If you play a non-1st-level pregenerated character, you choose one of your characters to assign the chronicle to at the end of adventure, and then apply the credit to your character as soon as she reaches the level of the pregenerated character played." and, "If you have multiple Chronicle sheets from pregenerated characters, they are applied to your character’s Chronicle sheet stack in the order played when your character reaches the appropriate level, even if this would advance your character several levels." (under After the Adventure, p. 21); however, "Tiers are a level restriction for play. If a PC’s level does not fall within the level range of a scenario’s tier, that character can not legally play in that scenario." (under Tiers and Subtiers, p. 33). My understanding of the above is that you would need to apply the 4 credits for the 7-11 range scenarios, bringing your character to level 8 and making him or her ineligible for credit for the 3-7 scenario.
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Your final quote does not negate the preceding saying you apply credit. The final quote is specifically about playing. The preceding is about applying credit which is what this conversation is about.
So are you suggesting that a character can receive credit for a scenario he or she cannot legally play? I don't see anything in the text to suggest that. My opinion is that the text about possibly advancing levels is a specific provision to tell you that you can't "pause" between applying the credits in order to play something else before you level out of a tier range. Applying credit for the 3-7 scenario falls under the same rule.
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Yes I agree that someone can't "pause" to play a character if they have several chronicles to apply if a chronicle(s) are available to be applied.
It is applied in the date order even if the character is advanced past the subtier or even levels that the adventure was set for.
So yes, this would allow a character to receive credit for a scenario that, if the player had not used a Pregen, they would not have been legal to play.
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Yes you could. But you don't have to. If you're lower level the guide says you can apply it to your character as soon as you hit that level. Nothing about applying pregen credit says that as applying credit the character must be legal to have played the scenario at the time it's getting the credit for the credit to apply and if you assigned incorrectly get with your coordinator to switch the credit to a valid character.
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Well, I hope there is a clarification from campaign staff on this because if I'm auditing your character and find you've assigned a Chronicle that would be illegal based on the play rules, I'm not going to make an exception because you played a pregen, particularly because the Chronicle itself has no way to tell me that you did.
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If you know in advance that your play schedule might create a situation like this, you could play three of the four 7-11 scenarios using Slow progression, keeping you in tier for the 3-7.
Except in this particular case I didn't realize that it was going to be difficult to get the 3-7 in question before I played the four 7-11 at normal with a pregen (and possibly have others that I'll need to play a L7 pregen at).
I'd GM the sucker to resolve the issue quickly, but I don't GM a thing until I've played it -- I can't get any 'feel' for how a scenario runs unless I play it first.
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particularly because the Chronicle itself has no way to tell me that you did.
That's easy to solve. When receiving the chronicle, just write "played a pregen; apply at level 7" (or something similar) on the top of the chronicle, and everybody can see it's a held chronicle.
I always write "apply at level X" on my held chronicles and also on chronicles a player at my tables plans to hold.|
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Well, I hope there is a clarification from campaign staff on this because if I'm auditing your character and find you've assigned a Chronicle that would be illegal based on the play rules, I'm not going to make an exception because you played a pregen, particularly because the Chronicle itself has no way to tell me that you did.
In the area I play in all the GMs note on the chronicle if I have played a pregen and at what level the chronicle is to be applied.
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You could assign the credit to another character and avoid the problem.
Or you could slow track.
Problem is this: I have NO idea when this scenario is going to come up again, and I played 'Part I' on this character, so I want to keep it on the same character.
Slow track only gives six chances to get the scenario, and I don't know if it will be enough.
Character has already been in a holding pattern for six months trying to get two other scenarios (last one of those will be resolving soon) due to unavoidable GM RL issues preventing completion of a three-part arc.
Honestly didn't foresee this being an issue when I played some scenarios to be 'held' for him with a pregen, but figured I'd probably ask here before just diving in and causing the above issue.
Though it does beg the question, does that mean the very most that a person can play on a given pregen for holding for a character is 3(or 6 on slow track)?
Or is this a 'niche' case that wasn't anticipated?
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Where is that written so I can re-read and learn?You could conceivably play 15 times on a level 7 pregen, if all 15 times were a 5-9 or 7-11. The stipulation is you can't out level the credit.
It isn't explicitly written the number of times. That's just how the math adds up.
Above quoted text does explicitly describe that you can't get a chronicle for an adventure your character is too high level for.
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I think that your interpretation is not the intent so clarification will be good.You honestly think that the intent of the rule is to allow someone to assign a chronicle to a character that normally could not have played that scenario?
Huh?
I believe the intent of the rule is to allow players to play. The simple fact that the the player used a pregen to play a scenario already defines they did not have a legal character of their own to play.
The determination of tier/sub-tier is a game time (pre-adventure) determination. If a player has a valid character(either their own or a pregen) at the time of the game, than they played a legal character.
The applying of chronicles, and thus levels, is done post-adventure. The Guide clearly provides that if a player has enough chronicles waiting then the character can advance several levels and even level past the adventure of the chronicle being applied. The only restrictions on applying chronicles is they have to be applied when the character reaches the sub-tier that the pregen was played at and that multiple chronicles are applied in the order that the adventures were played, ie date order.
At least that I how I understand it.
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Where is that written so I can re-read and learn?You could conceivably play 15 times on a level 7 pregen, if all 15 times were a 5-9 or 7-11. The stipulation is you can't out level the credit.
It isn't explicitly written the number of times. That's just how the math adds up.
Above quoted text does explicitly describe that you can't get a chronicle for an adventure your character is too high level for.
The quoted text is just about playing, though. If someone has enough credit banked because of playing a pregen or from GM credit, they shouldn't lose out on that credit because of the order in which they played/GM'd.
Edited for clarity, hopefully. Need caffeine.
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If you have
multiple Chronicle sheets from pregenerated characters,
they are applied to your character’s Chronicle sheet
stack in the order played when your character reaches
the appropriate level, even if this would advance your
character several levels.
This is the line in question. I think that the simplest, most straightforward interpretation is that you apply all the credits when you reach that level, no matter how many levels this would advance your character. To do otherwise would bring up the problems that nosig is detailing. What do you do with the chronicles for which you're now ineligible?
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When you played the scenario you were lv7(pregen) So you qualified for in tier when you played. Once your character hits lv7 you apply all scenarios in order. It doesn't say apply as if your character was the one actually doing them. You could get to lv20 off of just lv4/7 pregen credits. You'd just have very little gold comparatively.
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When you played the scenario you were lv7(pregen) So you qualified for in tier when you played. Once your character hits lv7 you apply all scenarios in order. It doesn't say apply as if your character was the one actually doing them. You could get to lv20 off of just lv4/7 pregen credits. You'd just have very little gold comparatively.
This is not a common sense interpretation. It isn't hard to keep track of what chronicles you've assigned your character so you never end up assigning an out of tier pregen or GM chronicle.
So again, I say, that you cannot use that language to justify assigning a chronicle to a character if the character is out of tier for that chronicle.
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As for nosig's example, you can't justify breaking a rule or using an interpretation of a rule that breaks common sense, because a GM might misrepresent another rule.
You can play a pregen, even if you have a character of that level, you just can't assign credit to that character.
So the answer is to assign the credit for the scenario that would be assigned to an out of tier character, to a different character. This isn't restricting play in any way.
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When you played the scenario you were lv7(pregen) So you qualified for in tier when you played. Once your character hits lv7 you apply all scenarios in order. It doesn't say apply as if your character was the one actually doing them. You could get to lv20 off of just lv4/7 pregen credits. You'd just have very little gold comparatively.This is not a common sense interpretation. It isn't hard to keep track of what chronicles you've assigned your character so you never end up assigning an out of tier pregen or GM chronicle.
So again, I say, that you cannot use that language to justify assigning a chronicle to a character if the character is out of tier for that chronicle.
It's exactly what the guide says to do.
You played the scenario with a legal pregen and assigned the credit to a character.When your character hits that level apply all the credits to it.
No if ands or buts about applying the credit to the character.
If you play a non-1st-level pregenerated
character, you choose one of your characters to assign
the chronicle to at the end of adventure, and then apply
the credit to your character as soon as she reaches the
level of the pregenerated character played.
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If you have
multiple Chronicle sheets from pregenerated characters,
they are applied to your character’s Chronicle sheet
stack in the order played when your character reaches
the appropriate level, even if this would advance your
character several levels.
The character running through was a lv7 and the eligible for the scenario. You'd have 51 lv7 pregen credits saved for a character. Once that character hits lv7 you apply all the credits to the character. This will jump you 17 levels.
Extended point
If you're saying that I have to have been able to run the scenario to apply the credit then what happens when I play a lv4 and have 12 saved up to apply? Do I suddenly gain the high tier gold since I'm applying it to my now lv6-7 character since I'm gaining so many levels from these? NO, because it's the credit from running it as a lv4.
Extended point 2
What do I do if I assigned 12 lv4 pregen credits that were all 1-5 scenarios? The guide says I can do this. If 6 of them suddenly don't qualify what do I do with those? The guide makes no notion that you have to see if the character you're applying it too would be to high of a level to play in that scenario that the lv4 played in to see if you can apply that credit to your character or not.
So if you can provide support from the guide or official posts to help indicate that you're limited on which pregen scenarios you can apply to your character please do. Otherwise you're making up rules and should stop and follow the actual rules.
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You pay attention to what you are assigning to which character, and you don't assign a chronicle that will eventually be illegal. This isn't rocket science.
If you just assign credit without paying attention to future implications, then, and only then, will you run into problems. The guide does not give you the right to assign out of tier credit.
What I'm saying restricts nothing and makes no credits invalid for assigning to a Character. You just gotta pay attention to which character you are assigning credit to.
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Andy, any chance of getting the rules of assigning pregen credit laid out more clearly up in the upcoming season eight guide? For example, some believe if a person plays a level 4 pregen in a 3-7 scenario, they can apply the credit to a character that is level 3, which seems to me to run against common sense. The current rules seem clear to me, but it would be nice to have it laid out in a way that is less open to interpretation than it is currently.
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This has all been discussed countless times before.
It is perfectly legal to apply a level 4 pregen credit from a tier 3-7 scenario to a character that is level 3, once the character reaches level 4. While some GMs still insist that you have to play an in-tier character if you have one, the rules do not support this position.
Similarly, you can stack up as many credits as you like at level 7, then apply them all to a character once it reaches level 7; you don't have to make sure that the character will be in-tier for the credit when it gets applied. Sure, it's a bit strange, but it's legal. But it's not worth going to the trouble of explicitly excluding this in the rules; if you are crazy enough to do this you'll be so far behind expected wealth-per-level that the character won't be a lot of fun to play.
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You pay attention to what you are assigning to which character, and you don't assign a chronicle that will eventually be illegal. This isn't rocket science.
If you just assign credit without paying attention to future implications, then, and only then, will you run into problems. The guide does not give you the right to assign out of tier credit.
What I'm saying restricts nothing and makes no credits invalid for assigning to a Character. You just gotta pay attention to which character you are assigning credit to.
It's not illegal. You're not assigning out of tier credit. I was a lv7 character for that credit, hence legal credit.
And this is all stuff you think. You've yet to provide any support for your view being correct or even a contender.|
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The clause you seem to be depending on (bolded)...
"If you have multiple Chronicle sheets from pregenerated characters, they are applied to your character’s Chronicle sheet stack in the order played when your character reaches the appropriate level, even if this would advance your character several levels."
...doesn't say that you can apply credit to a character that is too high of a level to have played the scenario. The general rule is that you can't apply a chronicle sheet to a character who couldn't legally play the scenario, and an 8th level character cannot play a 3-7 scenario. There is no specific exception to that general rule.
You've yet to provide any support for your view being correct or even a contender.
Thomas, I also haven't seen any support for your view.
As written the Guide seems to be silent on how to handle a situation like this (where a held chronicle from playing a pregen can't be applied because the character levels out of the upper tier of the held chronicle).
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The clause you seem to be depending on (bolded)...
"If you have multiple Chronicle sheets from pregenerated characters, they are applied to your character’s Chronicle sheet stack in the order played when your character reaches the appropriate level, even if this would advance your character several levels."
...doesn't say that you can apply credit to a character that is too high of a level to have played the scenario. The general rule is that you can't apply a chronicle sheet to a character who couldn't legally play the scenario, and an 8th level character cannot play a 3-7 scenario. There is no specific exception to that general rule.
You've yet to provide any support for your view being correct or even a contender.Thomas, I also haven't seen any support for your view.
As written the Guide seems to be silent on how to handle a situation like this (where a held chronicle from playing a pregen can't be applied because the character levels out of the upper tier of the held chronicle).
It's exactly what the guide says to do.
You played the scenario with a legal pregen and assigned the credit to a character.
When your character hits that level apply all the credits to it.
No if ands or buts about applying the credit to the character.The character running through was a lv7 and the eligible for the scenario. You'd have 51 lv7 pregen credits saved for a character. Once that character hits lv7 you apply all the credits to the character. This will jump you 17 levels.If you play a non-1st-level pregenerated
character, you choose one of your characters to assign
the chronicle to at the end of adventure, and then apply
the credit to your character as soon as she reaches the
level of the pregenerated character played.
...
If you have multiple Chronicle sheets from pregenerated characters,
they are applied to your character’s Chronicle sheet
stack in the order played when your character reaches
the appropriate level, even if this would advance your
character several levels.
The general rule is that you can't apply a chronicle sheet to a character who couldn't legally play the scenario, and an 8th level character cannot play a 3-7 scenario. There is no specific exception to that general rule.
The rule is you cannot play a character that is outside the scenario range and that if you GM you apply at the soonest you'd qualify. There is no general rule saying that a character can't have a scenario applied to it that they couldn't have personally played at when applied. Which leads into...
As written the Guide seems to be silent on how to handle a situation like this (where a held chronicle from playing a pregen can't be applied because the character levels out of the upper tier of the held chronicle).
It says pick a character and when that character gets to the appropriate level apply all scenarios to that character in order played.
Since it's silent on stating an exception that you don't apply credit on or can't choose a character that has so much backed EXP that when it came time to apply this chronicle they'd be outside the chronicle's tier we default to what is written for the general case.That you can choose any character lower leveled than the pregen. Can have many backlogged chronicles. And once you hit the level of the pregen apply all the credits in the order received. It tells us what to do and doesn't limit it. I played a legal character for the scenario, and I am applying that credit to my own personal character.
...doesn't say that you can apply credit to a character that is too high of a level to have played the scenario. The general rule is that you can't apply a chronicle sheet to a character who couldn't legally play the scenario, and an 8th level character cannot play a 3-7 scenario. There is no specific exception to that general rule.
Since it doesn't tell us anything specific on how to handle these then they must not be treated any differently from any other of the pregen scenarios. AKA that you apply the credits to your character. Since that's what it told us to do with the chronicles that we played as a pregen and are holding for the chosen character.
If you want to discredit this view you'll need to post where the a general rule that covers this is and show that it's invoked for this situation. Or you can show that there's indication that the default rule of applying pregen credits doesn't cover this. But you guys are stating that a rule/limitation exists that isn't mentioned. My view is that since there's not a rule/limitation it doesn't exist and is applied like it says to apply.
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This has all been discussed countless times before.It is perfectly legal to apply a level 4 pregen credit from a tier 3-7 scenario to a character that is level 3, once the character reaches level 4. While some GMs still insist that you have to play an in-tier character if you have one, the rules do not support this position.
Similarly, you can stack up as many credits as you like at level 7, then apply them all to a character once it reaches level 7; you don't have to make sure that the character will be in-tier for the credit when it gets applied. Sure, it's a bit strange, but it's legal. But it's not worth going to the trouble of explicitly excluding this in the rules; if you are crazy enough to do this you'll be so far behind expected wealth-per-level that the character won't be a lot of fun to play.
Your second point is simply not true.