Hello. Even after reading the rules for it, I'm a little confused on pinning a creature.
Do you have to grapple someone and then automatically pin them (using a standard action), or do you have to beat the creature's CMD a second time to establish a pin?
E.g. Do you:
A. Roll against creature's CMD and established a grapple, then use an action to pin the creature
OR.
B. Roll against creature's CMD, establish the grapple, then to pin beat the creature's CMD a second time?
Thanks in advance for the help!
I thought you only established the grapple in the first round, then tried to pin the grappled individual in the following round.
if you escape the grapple then you're out of the grapple, regardless of if you were pinned or not.
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Hello. Even after reading the rules for it, I'm a little confused on pinning a creature.
Do you have to grapple someone and then automatically pin them (using a standard action), or do you have to beat the creature's CMD a second time to establish a pin?
E.g. Do you:
A. Roll against creature's CMD and established a grapple, then use an action to pin the creature
OR.
B. Roll against creature's CMD, establish the grapple, then to pin beat the creature's CMD a second time?
Thanks in advance for the help!
Pinning a creature is an option you can choose after you have succeeded on your grapple check to maintain your grapple. You can only do so if you are already the initiator of a grapple, which means that it normally can't be done in the same round in which you succeeded on your first grapple check.
Round 1: You make a grapple check (as a standard action) against an enemy. You succeed.
Round 1: The enemy attempts to beat your CMD and become the initiator of the grapple (as a standard action). He fails.
Round 2: You make a grapple check to maintain your grapple (as a standard action) with a +5 circumstance bonus. You succeed, and can choose between Moving, Damaging, Pinning and Tying him up. You chose to pin him, and does not need to make another check.
Round 2: The enemy does now have the pinned condition, and can only attempt to free himself (as a standard action), but will do so with one successful check.
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A grappled creature succeeding in "escape the grapple" would become free.
...and I don't think you can become the grappler if you were pinned.
A pinned creature is tightly bound and can take few actions. A pinned creature cannot move and is denied its Dexterity bonus. A pinned character also takes an additional –4 penalty to his Armor Class. A pinned creature is limited in the actions that it can take. A pinned creature can always attempt to free itself, usually through a combat maneuver check or Escape Artist check. A pinned creature can take verbal and mental actions, but cannot cast any spells that require a somatic or material component. A pinned character who attempts to cast a spell or use a spell-like ability must make a concentration check (DC 10 + grappler's CMB + spell level) or lose the spell. Pinned is a more severe version of grappled, and their effects do not stack.
deal non-lethal damage, even a little and you don't worry about killing them nearly as much.
...Hello. Even after reading the rules for it, I'm a little confused on pinning a creature.
Do you have to grapple someone and then automatically pin them (using a standard action), or do you have to beat the creature's CMD a second time to establish a pin?
E.g. Do you:
A. Roll against creature's CMD and established a grapple, then use an action to pin the creature
OR.
B. Roll against creature's CMD, establish the grapple, then to pin beat the creature's CMD a second time?
Thanks in advance for the help!
Pinning a creature is an option you can choose after you have succeeded on your grapple check to maintain your grapple. You can only do so if you are already the initiator of a grapple, which means that it normally can't be done in the same round in which you succeeded on your first grapple check.
Round 1: You make a grapple check against an enemy. You succeed.
Round 1: The enemy attempts to beat your CMD and become the initiator. He fails.
Round 2: You make a grapple check to maintain your grapple (with a +5 circumstance bonus). You succeed, and can choose between Moving, Damaging, Pinning and Tying him up. You chose to pin him, and does not need to make another check.
Round 2: The enemy does now have the pinned condition, and can only attempt to free himself, but will do so with one successful check.
*****
@ GM 1990
A grappled creature succeeding in "escape the grapple" would become free.
...and I don't think you can become the grappler if you were pinned.
A pinned creature is tightly bound and can take few actions. A pinned creature cannot move and is denied its Dexterity bonus. A pinned character also takes an additional –4 penalty to his Armor Class. A pinned creature is limited in the actions that it can take. A pinned creature can always attempt to free itself, usually through a
Awesome! Thank you for the help!
The second. The victim is already pinned, and your normal grapple checks to maintain simultaneously maintain pinned status.
The pinned target cannot move, so in theory you can't choose to move them from where they are, but you can hit them or tie them up.