How does one kill a dragon, if the dragon has antimagic field?

[Quintain]

Plot twist:

What tactics would you use for a Lich Templated Dragon with the same AMF?

[MannyGoblin]

Get lots of Duegar to dig out from underneath and make the entire lair fall into a gate to the Positive Elemental Plane

[wraithstrike]

Deadmanwalking wrote:

Alzhan wrote:

AM BARBARIAN!

AM SMASH!
AM STRENGHT SURGE + SPELL SUNDER STUPID ANTIMAGIC FIELD!
AM KILL STUPID DRAGON THAT THINKS HE IS SMARTER THAN AWESOME BARBARIAN!

This a great tactic on many casters. The Dragon has a CMD of 46, though.

Meaning the Barbarian needs a 51 to do anything to it (possible, but by no means a sure thing even with a +14) and needs a 56 to do more than supresss it for a round (a 61 to dispel it permanently). Oh, and the Dragon can then re-cast it, so all you buy is a round at most.

Now, buying a round might be worth it (depending on party composition), but it's not an I win button. And that'll definitely piss the Dragon off.

And if I were the Dragon, I'd have all my buffs going under the field, just because that's funny.

51 is definitely hittable with Strength Surge. It basically doubles the barbarian BAB bonus to sunder.

Quote:

Strength Surge (Ex): The barbarian adds her barbarian level on one Strength check or combat maneuver check, or to her Combat Maneuver Defense when an opponent attempts a maneuver against her. This power is used as an immediate action. This power can only be used once per rage.

[Deadmanwalking]

I'm aware. That's what I meant by referring to the +14. A relatively optimal character still usually lacks a +50, though, so failure is still possible.

Which is where I was going with that.

[Nutcase Entertainment]

BaB + 14 + Strength modifier? not sure if the +1 for masterwork weapon count here.

I also realized the Brawler fare better than the Monk here.

[wraithstrike]

Deadmanwalking wrote:

I'm aware. That's what I meant by referring to the +14. A relatively optimal character still usually lacks a +50, though, so failure is still possible.

Which is where I was going with that.

I was thinking this was a level 17 character, but since the dragon is only a CR 17, I am guessing he only a level 14 barbarian which makes it more difficult than I thought.

[KainPen]

Aelryinth wrote:

YOu can't dispel a wall of force, either. You can only destroy it. It's one of the things that stay around even in an AM shell.

And there was no upper limit to AC in 2e, only 'highest published'. Holy Sardior, someone remembered the gem dragons?!

We got a drow fighter/cleric in the Vault of the Drow down to -20 AC with spells without too much trouble. Shocked my brother when his 15th level dwarf with the dwarven thrower kept missing her!

==Aelryinth

Actual there was a limit in 2nd edition for PC on page 73 of (black DMG) under the definition of AC. the limit for pc was -10, this is also reflected in every 2nd edition video game that was ever created. While you could find enough gear to get to a -20. The games did not allow per those rules. There were only a few exception and I think almost all of them where All Dragons ages 11+ with the best AC possible in game was age 12 gold dragon, Shadow Dragon and Amethysts Dragons all had -12 AC, Red had -11 at age 12. I want to say there was only one non-dragon monster that had a -12, that was not in a deity or demi god, but I can't remember what it was.

[Deadmanwalking]

wraithstrike wrote:

I was thinking this was a level 17 character, but since the dragon is only a CR 17, I am guessing he only a level 14 barbarian which makes it more difficult than I thought.

Yeah, the question is in regards to level 14 characters. Level 17 ones would have a much easier time in general (Aroden's Spellbane might be available, for starters).

[Alzhan]

If you use the Hero Point system AM BARBARIAN can add 8 before the roll, for a higher result.

When my part fighted one, we killed it in 2 round, but we were a VERY YOLO BURST OR DIE party composition, with no true healer.

Basically the tactics was the paladin sharing smite evil, the ranger blowing in her Horn of the Huntmaster and AM BARBARIAN sundered the AMF for 2 round.
The next round the dragon was confident in his 48 AC and stayed in melee full attacking AM BARBARIAN without killing me but our 1-round-everybody-full-attack dealt 500ish damage.