Antimagic field and instantaneous conjurations

[David Carter 351]

I just need clarification on how instantaneous conjurations interact with antimagic field. My reading of the spell leads me to conclude that I can stand outside of the field and cast into it, but the gm doesn't think that makes since because the field will stop summons. Am I misreading the spell?

[Gauss]

Effects with a duration of instantaneous do not wink out when brought into an antimagic field. Once they are cast the magic is done.

CRB p209 wrote:

Creation: A creation spell manipulates matter to create

an object or creature in the place the spellcaster designates. If the spell has a duration other than instantaneous, magic holds the creation together, and when the spell ends, the conjured creature or object vanishes without a trace. If the spell has an instantaneous duration, the created object or creature is merely assembled through magic. It lasts indefinitely and does not depend on magic for its existence.

From that we can figure that if you can create an instantaneous object outside of the field and throw/shoot it into the field it works fine, but you cannot create an object inside the field.

Your GM is incorrectly applying the summon clause, but at the same time, you may not be able to cast a spell into it unless it creates an object that you shoot into the field. It will be a GM ruling on which spells are instantaneously creating an object that is then thrown/shot and which are not.

[David Carter 351]

Gauss wrote:

Effects with a duration of instantaneous do not wink out when brought into an antimagic field. Once they are cast the magic is done.

CRB p209 wrote:

Creation: A creation spell manipulates matter to create

an object or creature in the place the spellcaster designates. If the spell has a duration other than instantaneous, magic holds the creation together, and when the spell ends, the conjured creature or object vanishes without a trace. If the spell has an instantaneous duration, the created object or creature is merely assembled through magic. It lasts indefinitely and does not depend on magic for its existence.

Thanks, this is helpful.

[Claxon]

Yeah, you can't cast into it, but you could cast something outside of it and then have it move in (assuming an instantaneous conjuration).

[MeanMutton]

David Carter 351 wrote:

I just need clarification on how instantaneous conjurations interact with antimagic field. My reading of the spell leads me to conclude that I can stand outside of the field and cast into it, but the gm doesn't think that makes since because the field will stop summons. Am I misreading the spell?

Like casting Snowball? Yeah, with Snowball if you're outside the antimagic field the spell's magic is entirely outside it. The actual snowball getting propelled into the antimagic field isn't magical and the antimagic field doesn't affect it.

[Pizza Lord]

antimagic field wrote:

...(The effects of instantaneous conjurations are not affected by an antimagic field because the conjuration itself is no longer in effect, only its result.)

This means that in Pathfinder, you could just cast acid splash all day long at into an antimagic field. I don't necessarily agree with this ruling in all cases. For instance, a created sword could be wielded in the field like any sword, a magical construct would still function and not shut down (though not able to use any (Sp) or (Su) abilites.) but I feel that certain [Conjuration, Creation] spells aren't just create and ignore, but actually use magic to maintain the existence or form or propulsion of such spells, mostly the acid ones.

For instance, what's really the difference between acid splash and acid arrow? The arrow has a duration, but that really only applies to after it hits. Technically it is described exactly as acid splash; a ball of acid, that is then magically propelled at the target. So why wouldn't acid arrow work as well, at least for initial damage? I take a individual approach to each spell myself, and that is more work, but antimagic field is a unique and complex situation, so not everything fits into a peg nice and easy.

Again though, that's just me dealing with illogical inconsistencies that tend to crop up in interaction between the hundreds of existing spells. As written, Conjuration (Creation) spells are unaffected if they are instantaneous.

[Snowlilly]

Acid Arrow is creation subschool, it creates non-magical acid.

The duration is simple to explain: even non-magical acid of sufficient potency will continue to burn for a while.

I realize this is not strict RAW, but it is consistent with how other materials resulting from the creation sub-school work.