There is nothing in the feat description or the components section of the CRB that prevents this.
Soo yeah, can you cast spell that has only verbal component with Silent Spell? Figured I should check this out just in case
Yes, you can. There is still significant debate if doing so means that the spell is detectable or not.
Soo yeah, can you cast spell that has only verbal component with Silent Spell? Figured I should check this out just in caseYes, you can. There is still significant debate if doing so means that the spell is detectable or not.
That debate was before this FAQ settled the issue of detectability. Every spell is detectable.
What about Command? Is the command then given mentally?
Like Bardic spells, and ALL language-dependent spells, Command is essentially a spell that can not be cast silently.
What about Command? Is the command then given mentally?Like Bardic spells, and ALL language-dependent spells, Command is essentially a spell that can not be cast silently.
While all bardic spells have a verbal component, I was not aware that it can't be suppressed. Can you point me to the rules on this?
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While all bardic spells have a verbal component, I was not aware that it can't be suppressed. Can you point me to the rules on this?What about Command? Is the command then given mentally?Like Bardic spells, and ALL language-dependent spells, Command is essentially a spell that can not be cast silently.
Silent Spell (Metamagic)
You can cast your spells without making any sound.Benefit: A silent spell can be cast with no verbal components. Spells without verbal components are not affected. A silent spell uses up a spell slot one level higher than the spell's actual level.
Special: Bard spells cannot be enhanced by this feat.
While all bardic spells have a verbal component, I was not aware that it can't be suppressed. Can you point me to the rules on this?What about Command? Is the command then given mentally?Like Bardic spells, and ALL language-dependent spells, Command is essentially a spell that can not be cast silently.
Every bard spell has a verbal component (singing, reciting, or music).
While all bardic spells have a verbal component, I was not aware that it can't be suppressed. Can you point me to the rules on this?What about Command? Is the command then given mentally?Like Bardic spells, and ALL language-dependent spells, Command is essentially a spell that can not be cast silently.Silent Spell (Metamagic)
You can cast your spells without making any sound.Benefit: A silent spell can be cast with no verbal components. Spells without verbal components are not affected. A silent spell uses up a spell slot one level higher than the spell's actual level.
Special: Bard spells cannot be enhanced by this feat.
Thanks! Totally didn't occur to me to look there, just in the bard class.
For Command, the command itself must still be communicated in some fashion (note the limited commands){I'd assume you now have a choice of spoken, pantomimed, hand signals etc}. The spell is School enchantment (compulsion) [language-dependent, mind-affecting] and those descriptors don't go away. I would not assume Telepathy.
The commands were limited to minimise rules tension over certain verbs that didn't make sense, such as commands to "Orgasm!".
Gone are the days when you could command an undead to S**t!
Good times. "sigh"
So what spells can my pet rock cast?
Language dependent spells still require a language...
Only way that will be silent is if you (and target) know a non-auditory langauge, i.e. sign language.
(invoking language rules, means you can not just make a gesture that anybody can understand, it is actual language)
The real issue for me is non-language dependent spells, but which explicitly state/imply usage of spoken language...
Namely, the Power Word spells...
"You utter a single word of power that instantly kills one creature of your choice, whether the creature can hear the word or not."
Now, target being in Silenced zone is OK, they don't need to hear it...
But you need to "utter" the word of power, which doesn't seem compatable with removing Verbal components.
A language-dependent spell uses intelligible language as a medium for communication. If the target cannot understand or cannot hear what the caster of a language-dependent spell says, the spell fails.
The power words are magic words that are not in common. They should be effective even if the target does not understand it. I do not know if there are specific rules that back me up on this.
That debate was before this FAQ settled the issue of detectability. Every spell is detectable.Soo yeah, can you cast spell that has only verbal component with Silent Spell? Figured I should check this out just in caseYes, you can. There is still significant debate if doing so means that the spell is detectable or not.
I hadn't seen that! Awesome, thanks!
Soo yeah, can you cast spell that has only verbal component with Silent Spell? Figured I should check this out just in caseYes, you can. There is still significant debate if doing so means that the spell is detectable or not.
After reading that - I really need to get the new Ultimate Intrigue because now I have absolutely no idea how Charm Person should work.
Well in Pokemon, to use attract they use body language. They kind of vogue. Also very not rules crunch.