Share Spells Teamwork feat question


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Am I understanding this correctly? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Here's what I'm thinking...

The relevant feats here are Share Spells (Teamwork) and Bonded Mind (Teamwork).

The one that really matters is Share Spells though. So here it is in a spoiler as well.

Share Spells (Teamwork):
Share Spells (Teamwork) wrote:

You can share individual magic with your partner.

Prerequisite(s): Bonded Mind, ability to share spells with an animal companion, eidolon, familiar, or phantom, caster level 1st.

Benefit(s): You can cast a spell with a target of “you” on an ally as a touch spell, as per the share spells familiar ability, so long as the ally possesses the Bonded Mind feat.

So you have a party full of people, one is a wizard with a familiar and the share spells ability. He takes Bonded Mind so he can also take Share Spells (its a prerequisite).
And there's a cavalier in the party and he takes Bonded Mind. He then uses tactician to share Bonded Mind to the party. Now the wizard can cast all of those great personal spells to everyone he can touch because Share Spells says nothing about anyone else needing the feat (which would make things awkward cause then the feat would basically only benefit people that can probably already cast those personal range spells because most others wouldn't meet the prerequisites).
So he can spam true strikes or quickened true strikes. Or even quickened reach true strikes (and before you say it's not legal to use a reach true strikes, I see nothing in the feat that says you cannot. So unless I'm missing something there, you can then. Its just not beneficial unless you tailor a perfect situation like so.)

If your issue is with me saying you can use quickened reach true strike then feel free to let me know why. But my real question is about the teamwork feat Share Spells.


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That does look legitimate that you can share personal spells with anyone in the party that way, yes. Though I don't see any way to do it any more than one ally per casting.

Truestrike is definitely not a valid spell for Reach Spell, though. Reach Spell states that "Spells that do not have a range of touch, close, or medium do not benefit from this feat", while Truestrike has a range of personal. Share Spells allows you to cast personal spells on others as a touch spell, but that does not change that the spell itself is not a touch spell.

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THere was a thread considering that ... stating that bonded Mind cant be shared via Cavalier ability or taken via the Martial Flex ability ... cant find it on the spot but will keep searching for it


ZZTRaider wrote:
Truestrike is definitely not a valid spell for Reach Spell, though. Reach Spell states that "Spells that do not have a range of touch, close, or medium do not benefit from this feat", while Truestrike has a range of personal. Share Spells allows you to cast personal spells on others as a touch spell, but that does not change that the spell itself is not a touch spell.

I bolded the part about not benefiting. I read this as you can use it, but its not gonna benefit you unless it meets these criteria. Since nowhere have I read it explicitly say you can not apply metamagic on something that doesn't benefit on it.

For example, I see no reason why you cannot empower truestrike. Or haste even.
Empower Spell wrote:
Saving throws and opposed rolls are not affected, nor are spells without random variables.

This is much like what reach says. It would just be frivolously increasing the spell level for both of these to apply this metamagic, as it would for a reach true strike. but there's nothing explicitly stating you cannot apply pointless metamagic (at least nothing I've found).

But you make a fair point about it not changing the spell itself to a touch spell. I considered the "as a touch spell" part to mean that it was a touch spell under those circumstances. I guess it would technically be a house rule to allow you to use reach on them though. Unless someone else knows something I don't, which is clearly very likely haha.

I am glad that other people read this as a valid way to share a personal range spell also. That's helpful.

Eben E'Zer wrote:
THere was a thread considering that ... stating that bonded Mind cant be shared via Cavalier ability or taken via the Martial Flex ability ... cant find it on the spot but will keep searching for it

I tried to search for it but all I kept finding were threads about the various other feats about sharing spells or the actual share spells class ability. If you find it then feel free to link me to it.


Eben E'Zer wrote:
THere was a thread considering that ... stating that bonded Mind cant be shared via Cavalier ability or taken via the Martial Flex ability ... cant find it on the spot but will keep searching for it

I believe I found what you're talking about in the PFS Additional Resources.

PFS Additional Resources wrote:

Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Distant Shores

Feats: The feats on page 63 are legal for play. A PC cannot benefit from the feat Bonded Mind or any teamwork feats that use it as a prerequisite unless he permanently possesses the feat; this is an exception to how an inquisitor's solo tactics ability, a cavalier's tactician ability, and similar abilities function.

I'm not sure for point of invalidating this option for these specific feats with these abilities. I feel like that goes against the goals of the game. But luckily this isn't for PFS. So it still works fine.

I do feel that if they didn't want it to work that way then they should have errated it or actually written it into the feat(s).

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