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Kirth Gersen wrote:

Grrr. "Hap and Leonard" is behind a paywall, which irks me because Amazon Prime already has a membership fee. Meh.

Finished S1 of "Black Sails" (and, again, am miffed that the other seasons are behind their own paywalls) and S3 of "Boardwalk Empire" (and ditto for S4-5, with respect to still more paywalls). So the only thing I'm watching that's already paid for is "Better Call Saul," with 1 episode left in Season 1. It looks like Season 2 is unavailable on Netflix and will doubtless be relegated to a "purchase episodes" deal on Amazon Prime when they finally release it, which will force me to scream.

I guess I need to start a thread for "Shows You're Actually Allowed To Watch One Netflix or Amazon Prime Without Having to Pay Extra."

Tsc... Every time I hear about stuff like this, it makes me wonder if these companies want people to torrent their shows.... -.-'


Lemmy wrote:
Kirth Gersen wrote:

Grrr. "Hap and Leonard" is behind a paywall, which irks me because Amazon Prime already has a membership fee. Meh.

Finished S1 of "Black Sails" (and, again, am miffed that the other seasons are behind their own paywalls) and S3 of "Boardwalk Empire" (and ditto for S4-5, with respect to still more paywalls). So the only thing I'm watching that's already paid for is "Better Call Saul," with 1 episode left in Season 1. It looks like Season 2 is unavailable on Netflix and will doubtless be relegated to a "purchase episodes" deal on Amazon Prime when they finally release it, which will force me to scream.

I guess I need to start a thread for "Shows You're Actually Allowed To Watch One Netflix or Amazon Prime Without Having to Pay Extra."

Tsc... Every time I hear about stuff like this, it makes me wonder if these companies want people to torrent their shows.... -.-'

Pretty much. Didn't they learn what the music industry did from Napster and all the equivalents?

People actually prefer to get stuff legally, but you're still in competition with the file-sharers and if you make it too complicated, expensive or otherwise difficult, you'll lose.

Liberty's Edge

Netflix isn't too bad, really. You get shows when they come out on DVD at the latest, in full seasons, and often much earlier than that (ABC shows come out quick...they and Netflix are clearly quite friendly).

And there's not an intermediate paywall or anything. You either have access to all of Netflix's stuff...or you don't.

I can't speak to anything else, since I just have Netflix. Well, and cable, but that's a whole different discussion.


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Deadmanwalking wrote:

Netflix isn't too bad, really. You get shows when they come out on DVD at the latest, in full seasons, and often much earlier than that (ABC shows come out quick...they and Netflix are clearly quite friendly).

And there's not an intermediate paywall or anything. You either have access to all of Netflix's stuff...or you don't.

I can't speak to anything else, since I just have Netflix. Well, and cable, but that's a whole different discussion.

Any one of them isn't too bad. The problem is that they're producing exclusive content so if you want the Netflix shows you need the Netflix deal and if you also want the Amazon shows, you need the Amazon deal and if you want Star Trek you need the CBS deal and so on and so on.

I'm perfectly happy picking one and paying for that. They can compete on price and quality of service and similar things. I'm not going to pick up another, almost entirely redundant service at full cost to watch one more thing they have an exclusive on.


I pay for Netflix, Hulu, and Funimation - but only basic cable (which in my home town is bundled with phone/internet - to buy one, you MUST buy them all. On the plus side it's pretty cheap.). I was thinking of possible swapping out Netflix for Prime, but if I am paying a fee in order to pay MORE fees, then that just killed that idea.


Damon Griffin wrote:
Of course I pay more for my cable than you do for your Amazon Prime + Netflix + whatever. But on the plus side pay walls aren't a thing.

So you get HBO, Showtime, STARZ, and all those channels for free with the basic cable package?

Cable TV largely invented the paywall.


Norman Osborne wrote:
Damon Griffin wrote:
Of course I pay more for my cable than you do for your Amazon Prime + Netflix + whatever. But on the plus side pay walls aren't a thing.

So you get HBO, Showtime, STARZ, and all those channels for free with the basic cable package?

Cable TV largely invented the paywall.

It did. But you didn't have to buy the premium package from Comcast to get one channel you wanted then another premium package from a different provider to get another channel that Comcast didn't carry and yet a third one from another provider to get yet another channel - each of them costing about the same and giving you massive duplication of all the basic channels.

That's the difference here. The access providers are also becoming the content producers and you have to buy the whole package from each of them to get their content.


Norman Osborne wrote:

So you get HBO, Showtime, STARZ, and all those channels for free with the basic cable package?

Cable TV largely invented the paywall.

Okay, you're not wrong. I don't get Showtime at all, and HBO was an add-on. I got Starz among many other additional channels with the cable package I chose, which wasn't Basic. Starz wasn't the reason I chose it. Offhand I don't remember which channels were the reason.

It's incorrect, but I tend not to think of these as paywalls in the sense you experience them, since it's just part of my normal monthly bill. When Black Sails S2 started, I didn't have to pony up extra $ before I could start watching it.

Again, I believe pay a lot more for mine than you pay for yours, but it's less hassle and less delay for me, so I try to think of it as a convenience charge rather than cable company price gouging.


Finished the first 3 episodes of Season 2 of True Detective. E1 was a huge disappointment, because the directing and acting were so much worse than in S1. But E2 was really nicely done, so the season finally hooked me in, and E3 was okay, if a little silly. Hopefully E4-6 are waiting in my mailbox!

The Exchange

Here to report that I have finished watching season 1 of Man In The High Castle, and am one episode short of finishing season 3 of Breaking Bad. Looking for a new show to watch with my father (last one was Man In The High Castle), I might trawl this thread for ideas.

Man In The High Castle:
Overall there's a lot to like here, but the pilot promised much more than we got.
The good stuff - great setting, some good characters, the occasional action scene is well done, and the storyline is intriguing.
The problematic stuff - the show is keeping it's cards very close to the chest, and that makes it hard to understand what's really going on. Almost all characters have hidden motivations that are either hard or impossible to figure out during most of the show, and I think the story would have benefited from bringing in the SF elements more prominently earlier to replace the mostly mediocre and generic resistance/thriller plot. Also, some annoying coincidences and some characters acting real stupid bring the thing down.

I would certainly be watching season 2, but with more guarded enthusiasm.

Breaking Bad:
Ahhh, such a flawed gem. Every technical aspect of the show is miles and miles ahead of anything else on TV - the acting, the camera work, the directing, all incredible. I am also happy to say that unlike in seasons 1,2 there are almost no 10-minute scenes where the characters sit around in awkward silence, and the tiresome "Walt has to hide his actions from his family" subplot is mostly dispensed with. Another highlight is the midseason Hank episodes, which were the best subthread of the show so far.

But where the show's bad, it's bad. It seems like the writer for BB are physically incapable of creating tension and moving the story without "cheating". Almost every pivotal moment in the season, and indeed moment on which the entire rest of the story is dependent, are a heap of impossible, absurd and unconvincing coincidences. Thing like three groups of people arriving at the same place at the same time completely independently on each other, or old plot threads popping back up under pretty impossible circumstances (So the kid who shot Jessi's friend last season has an attractive sister the same age as Jessi and they hooked up because they both went to the same support group...right...). I hate the way this takes me out of the story.

I will probably watch the whole show, but I will never be able to connect to it as fully as I want.


When you've finished with Breaking Bad, give Better Call Saul a try. That show is much better, mainly because it much more focussed and has a somewhat likable main character.

I suggest The Americans as replacement for The Man in the High Castle. No Nazis involved, but a couple of Soviet sleeper agents in the US of the 1980s.


I want to watch Vikings but I can't get past the horrendous costumes. When are producers going to realize that people didn't wear all leather and dark colors since ever? And not everything/everybody is covered in mud and dirt!


Lord Snow, thank you!

Spoiler:
I love your reviews -- even when I don't totally share your opinions, I find them lively and insightful.


Kirth Gersen wrote:
Finished the first 3 episodes of Season 2 of True Detective. E1 was a huge disappointment, because the directing and acting were so much worse than in S1. But E2 was really nicely done, so the season finally hooked me in, and E3 was okay, if a little silly. Hopefully E4-6 are waiting in my mailbox!

Good luck with the second season. I adored the first season, but increasingly disliked the second season, and couldn't even finish it.

The Exchange

Kirth Gersen wrote:
Lord Snow, thank you! ** spoiler omitted **

:D


S2 of True Detective turned out to be awesome. Ended up loving it, except for

Spoiler:
Vince Vaughn's silly and needlessly long death scene
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S2 of Masha and the Bear was finally released, pleasing both me and Baby Gersen.

And Justified is back on Amazon Prime, giving me something to watch if I ever get an evening with the house to myself.

Scarab Sages

I really enjoy Killjoys. I like the banter among the main characters, and the backstory is being revealed at a good pace.

Dark Matter had an interesting premise, but the backstory is revealed at a glacial pace, and there's not much humor to distract you from how very slow it is.

I haven't read The Expanse, but I enjoyed Season One quite a lot. I hope Season Two gets even better.

For something that's completed, try Falling Skies. Post-apocalyptic family drama meets military sci-fi.

Sovereign Court

Kirth Gersen wrote:

S2 of True Detective turned out to be awesome. Ended up loving it, except for ** spoiler omitted **.

S2 of Masha and the Bear was finally released, pleasing both me and Baby Gersen.

And Justified is back on Amazon Prime, giving me something to watch if I ever get an evening with the house to myself.

TD S2:
At first I thought they were going to bury VV's character alive. He'd have a lighter and see those stains again. It would be a big mind screw about whether he died as a kid and dreamed all this or that was meant to be his fate.

Overall, I thought it was watchable. I think the bar was set too high with S1 and S2 certainly had some writing problems. Too bad thats it for TD.

**If you havent checked out West World on HBO yet, well, you ought to.


Pan wrote:
If you havent checked out West World on HBO yet, well, you ought to.

I loved the movie but despised the sequel -- and it looks like the TV show is a lot more like the sequel. Still, it's getting great reviews and I'll probably end up checking it out when it's available on either Netflix or A'.


S1 of "Hap and Leonard" is finally available on Netflix streaming! And it was good, mostly because of the three stars -- Hap is played by the guy who played Marc Anthony in S2 of "Rome;" Leonard is Omar from "The Wire"/Chalkey White from "Boardwalk Empire"; and Trudy, Hap's sociopath hippy trailer-trash ex-wife, is played by Christina Hendricks (from "Mad Men") -- all three of them are absolutely fantastic.

The bad guys are over-the-top ridiculous, and the ending goofy and forced -- both of these are to be expected by any fan of author Joe Lansdale -- but the show is quite enjoyable. (And in fact it reminds me of Justified, in some ways.)

Apparently each season is an adaptation of one of the novels. S1 was Savage Season, and apparently s2 based on Mucho Mojo) is underway -- I look forward to seeing it.

EDIT: Ugh. Shoot me now.

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So I heard that season 3 of True Detective isn't in the cold ground just yet. If there is enough will there is a way back!

Finished Black sails season 4. This was probably the right amount of seasons to tell this story. Obviously it aligns well with Treasure Island. Wasn't as satisfying as Id hoped, but it was a good wrap up on an excellent series. As always, the exposition was killer in the final episodes.

Havent dove into much lately, so little news to report.


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Also, while this thread was quiescent, I finally got to see S1 of "Ash vs. Evil Dead." Let me start out by saying that I'm a big fan of the original Evil Dead trilogy, and expected the show not to come close to living up to it.

I was wildly wrong in that expectation.

The show was everything a sequel to the movies should have been -- in that regard, I liken it to Max Max IV (which I also thought would be a letdown but instead ended up being one of my favorite movies of the decade).

Liberty's Edge RPG Superstar 2008 Top 32, 2011 Top 16

Midnight Texas coming this summer on NBC is based on a book series, not a comic book, and it looks like it could be fun.


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JoelF847 wrote:
Midnight Texas coming this summer on NBC is based on a book series, not a comic book, and it looks like it could be fun.

Unfortunately, I didn't like "True Blood" at all, so more from the same author is more stuff I'll avoid.


With the joys of Netflix, I've been watching:

It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia (rewatching the earlier seasons, the more recent episodes that I hadn't seen I found stale and losing steam);

Archer (whose latest private detective season seems to be hitting all of the notes from all the classic film noirs that I've been showing Mr. Comrade recently ("I bet they get Chinatowned" I said as soon as I saw the fake "Mrs. Mulwray" character and, of course, the opening where Archer is in the swimming pool, a la Joe Gillis in Sunset Boulevard);

and The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt (whose theme song I can't get out of my head).

Mr. Comrade keeps shaking his head at (my choice) IASIP's satirical hipster racism and I keep pointing out (his choice) Archer is just as bad; meanwhile, I finally understand why Tina Fey keeps showing up on those "White Feminist Racists" lists alongside Lena Dunham and Amy Schumer.

They all make me laugh, though.


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Doodlebug Anklebiter wrote:


and The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt (whose theme song I can't get out of my head).

I cant in good conscious allow anyone to endorse kimmy Schmidt. God it should be called unbearable kimmy sh!@.....


I like it so far (only three or four episodes in).

I think Carol Kane might have been training her whole life for that role.

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Kirth Gersen wrote:
JoelF847 wrote:
Midnight Texas coming this summer on NBC is based on a book series, not a comic book, and it looks like it could be fun.
Unfortunately, I didn't like "True Blood" at all, so more from the same author is more stuff I'll avoid.

I don't know the books or how much the True Blood tv show differed from them, but considering that this is an NBC show and not an HBO show, I expect there will be some differences in tone. Plus, summer is dry for TV, so I know I'll try shows in the summer that might not quite make the cut the rest of the year as long as they're not bad. But to each their own.


True Blood (TV) differed quite a bit from the books. Example: I liked Lafayette as a continuing character in the show, but in the books he was strictly background and one of the first to die. He gets murdered by members of a secret sex club in Book 2 (of 13.)


Planpanther wrote:
Doodlebug Anklebiter wrote:


and The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt (whose theme song I can't get out of my head).
I cant in good conscious allow anyone to endorse kimmy Schmidt. God it should be called unbearable kimmy sh!@.....

I think it's a brilliant show.

I agree Doodlebug, Carol Kane is excellent in it.

Sovereign Court

I guess there is no accounting for taste.

Jesus, there was 13 True Crud books.....


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I was driving to work and thinking about it some more and Boom! it hit me.

Carol Kane is my fave part of Unbreakable and Danny DeVito is my fave part of IASIP.

I wonder if I actually do like these shows, or if it's just Taxi nostalgia. In retrospect, it seems like Taxi was on every weeknight during my childhood.


Pan wrote:
Jesus, there was 13 True Crud books.....

Well, don't judge them by the show.


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Fargo!!!!!!

New season started Wednesday.

Super awesome!

Archer: Dreamland started a few weeks ago. I love the '20s vibe and bringing back Len Trexeler and Barry Dillon has been a lot of fun.

Jeffrey Tambor needs to be recognized as the national treasure that he is. :-)

Better Call Saul is another great show.


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I watched all of Fargo Season 1 with my wife and we loved it. We watched the first Episode of Season 2 together and we loved it, but because we have like 1987219 shows we watch together and a finite amount of time after the kids go to bed, we just left Season 2 sitting on the DVR. Well, I started watching Season 2 last week, and wow...its awesome. I'm on EP. 3 (I watch them at a rate of 1EP/2 days between 830 and 9pm). I'm seeing all the promos for Season 3 and that looks good. The main character is also in another show my wife and I watch The Leftovers.

TLDR: Fargo is amazingly done Television.

Sovereign Court

Its true Fargo is fantastic. I recall thinking about the original premise before airing and thinking it would be derivative and awful. I was so wrong its excellent television. Cant wait for season 3 with Ewan McGregor.


First episode of third season was free on ITunes yesterday. Might still be free.

It's fantastic!


Came back here to listen to the Kimmy theme and realized I accidentally linked The Pogues instead. Woops.

They're alive, dammit!


Doodlebug Anklebiter wrote:

Came back here to listen to the Kimmy theme and realized I accidentally linked The Pogues instead. Woops.

They're alive, dammit!

Damn. And I was going to start watching it if they used a full Pogues album as their theme music. :)

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captain yesterday wrote:
Archer: Dreamland started a few weeks ago. I love the '20s vibe and bringing back Len Trexeler and Barry Dillon has been a lot of fun.

I've had Lana singing Fever stuck in my head ever since! I love noir-style torch singers. (Dark City is another movie that has a great torch singer scene, which suggests that I should watch some actual noir, some day, and not just genre stuff or comedy stuff...)


I watched the two-part clown episode last night and, continuing the show's reflection of my movie-watching of late, was kind of weirded out when Archer namechecked "Attica," which I took as a reference to Dog Day Afternoon.


Mr. Comrade has moved on to watching BoJack Horseman. I tried to resist for a while, but admit to having been sucked in.

Last night, he put on the first episode of Maron which I was kind of meh about, but, in case you haven't heard, it is about, among other things, Marc Maron getting enraged at a twitterfeed shiznit-posting about, doxxing him online, and then tracking him down to a D&D session at a FLGS for a confrontation that goes all wrong. Includes David Foley.

Also watched the first four or so episodes from the first season of Daredevil but I guess that's for another thread.

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The ol lady never saw Twin Peaks so we are catching the originals now. Anybody catching the new season on Showtime???


Pan wrote:
The ol lady never saw Twin Peaks so we are catching the originals now.

I have them on my streaming list, but Mrs Gersen told me "Why would I want to watch a really old show like that when there are new shows that are probably better?"

I'd apply really old to "Howdie Doodie" before I would to "Twin Peaks," but I guess it's all a matter of perspective.

Sovereign Court

Twin Peaks is really something everyone ought to experience. In this case you are watching the "old" show in prep for the new one. I guarantee Twin Peaks will blow any supers tv show out of your lineup :)


Pan wrote:
Twin Peaks is really something everyone ought to experience. In this case you are watching the "old" show in prep for the new one. I guarantee Twin Peaks will blow any supers tv show out of your lineup :)

I've heard the legends of Twin Peaks for years, so tried to watch it on Netflix.... I got through the first season and just felt underwhelmed after all the hype... the second season was supposed to get all crazy weird, but about 2-3 episodes in I just lost interest and never went back...

Sovereign Court

Sure not everyone likes Twin Peaks, but you gotta admit its pretty unique. Especially, for the time in which it aired.


Pan wrote:
Sure not everyone likes Twin Peaks, but you gotta admit its pretty unique. Especially, for the time in which it aired.

Definitely for it's time. I was pretty disappointed that it didn't hook me. Everythign I heard it was EXACTLY the type of show that I would love... but something about it was too dry or something... I can't put my finger on it.


I did the same kind of thing, with the same kind of reaction. Partly I think it was too much focus on the soap opera side rather than the supernatural weirdness.


I've been watching The Leftovers. I went into it figuring I'd treat it like "LOST" but knowing ahead of time there would be no answer to the mystery of the departed. It's just be a character study of loss and adaptation with a quasi-mystical backdrop.

But they kept bringing more pot-Departure Day weirdness in, emphasizing the possibly mystical weirdness of it call, and with this season's finale, I just feel they went too far, and didn't think things through.

In the season finale, "The Book of Nora", we find out that the 2% of the world's population that departed from Earth

Spoiler:
simply went to another Earth. (Nora discovers this by using a machine created by a small group of physicists who claim it can rejoin grieving people here with their beloved departed...wherever.)

It's strongly implied that this other world is identical to our own except that the 2% are the only ones there. Nora talks about walking through an empty town, mentioned the severe shortage of pilots over there, taking a very long time to get from Australia back to her home town, even to her old house.

Ultimately she decides her family has moved on without her in the seven years since the Departure, so she has no place over there. She tracks down the actual inventor of the machine, who had been the first to use it, convinces him to build another one, and returns to Earth-Prime.

Now, here's the thing: if Earth-2 is empty except for our departed 2%, where did 100% of that Earth's population go? Because someone had to build all those deserted stores and houses, and the surplus of airplanes there weren't enough pilots to fly. Exact parallel development on two worlds until one of those worlds is completely depopulated and 2% of another world shifts over there? WTF?!?

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