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Arguing that a 2000 gp, CL 3 item gives you the effect of a 4th level spell cast at CL 15 once a day is absurd.Thankfully, the gloves don't do that, so the reduced price is not unreasonable.
Sure they do.
Tell me one thing that See through Stone does that the gloves don't do, except that the gloves require you to touch the stone. In many ways they are better, since they are not blocked by dirt or metal and don't require concentration.
Or for that matter, show me a second level spell that is even remotely equivalent to the gloves that does *not* use a scrying sensor.
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Yeah, my point is not that they replicate clairvoyance.
My point is that they are a Divination (scrying) school effect, and that their cost and caster level is appropriate to a 2nd level spell effect, not a 4th level effect. And that seeing through opaque objects without needing a scrying sensor is a 4th level effect.
My point is that they are a Divination (scrying) school effect,
But they are not. The gloves themselves would have a divination aura, that is all.
and that their cost and caster level is appropriate to a 2nd level spell effect, not a 4th level effect. And that seeing through opaque objects without needing a scrying sensor is a 4th level effect.
Entirely irrelevant. Generally speaking obscure spells aren't used for item creation requirements, Clairaudience/clairvoyance is the closest general use spell to what they are trying to accomplish, that is why it was used and reading anymore into it than that is incorrect.
Additionally, while both have their uses and limitations, I would consider Clairaudience/clairvoyance in general to be a much more powerful effect than See through Stone even though the later is a higher level spell.
Let's take this and apply it to a different it....
Would using a set of harmonizing armor to harmonize with sounds, can you disbelieve it, since it's a figment effect?
Yeah, that's a serious change:
Page 237—In gloves of reconnaissance, in the second
sentence, change “15” to “5”. Replace the last two
sentences with “The wearer can use the gloves once
per day for up to 1 minute. The wearer must wear the
gloves continuously for 24 hours before activating this
ability.”
This shows that these gloves were too good to be true. IMHO, they still are, even after the changes. But these changes do reduce the cheese factor - no hot swapping, and only one use per day.
Yeah, that's a serious change:
This shows that these gloves were too good to be true. IMHO, they still are, even after the changes. But these changes do reduce the cheese factor - no hot swapping, and only one use per day.Page 237—In gloves of reconnaissance, in the second
sentence, change “15” to “5”. Replace the last two
sentences with “The wearer can use the gloves once
per day for up to 1 minute. The wearer must wear the
gloves continuously for 24 hours before activating this
ability.”
It shows that they were a bit too powerful yes but that doesn't prove anything about if it uses a sensor or creates a window for other people to look back through it.