
DTripp |
Hi All,
I have a question on how a couple of different abilities interact.
1) Sidestep Secret (Lore Oracle): Use Charisma mod in place of Dexterity to determine Armor Class
2) Confident Defense (Enlightened Paladin): Add 1 point of Charisma mod to Dexterity bonus to Armor Class per level
3) Arshea's Boon (Deific Obedience): Use Charisma mod as Armor stat for Armor Class when fighting unarmored and in revealing clothing.
Would all three of these abilities be able to interact together for 1 character's Armor Class? Or would only 2 of these abilities interact together?

Secret Wizard |

A paladin who ceases to be lawful good, who willfully commits an evil act, or who violates the code of conduct loses all paladin spells and class features (including the service of the paladin's mount, but not weapon, armor, and shield proficiencies). She may not progress any further in levels as a paladin. She regains her abilities and advancement potential if she atones for her violations (see atonement), as appropriate.
Imma go with "worshipping another deity" being one of those things a Deity would not really be hot with.
AGAIN, this is all assuming that the GM takes that, by RAI, the Iroran Paladin is meant to worship Irori, which is not a terribly far-fetched assumption.

Paulicus |

This isn't the rules forum. Also, getting off-topic.
On topic: I haven't checked the abilities specifically, but they only stack if they assign different 'types' to the AC bonus (deflection/dodge/etc.) If they are 'untyped' bonuses, you can only apply charisma once.
And since we're in the Advice forum, I'd recommend running it by your GM. Even without the apparently-inflammatory deity issue, triple-dipping Charisma is something your GM might not appreciate. Better to get approval first then have trouble crop up later.

Zhangar |

The entry with the flavor text still in it (aside: always check the Archives of Nethys when using setting specific stuff) makes it much clearer that the Iroran Paladin is, in fact, a paladin of Irori - it's because you're following Irori that you get to create your own personal code. That's how Irori rolls.
Though if you're paladin, your god is technically optional. (Though I can't speak for PFS.) Paladins usually worship a deity but aren't required to.
Perhaps the Iroran Arshean paladin just serves two masters.
You're probably a heretic by orthodox Iroran standards (and perhaps a stick in the mud by orthodox Arshean standards), but the more laid-back ones might find you hilarious.
(Though as mentioned above, the most important thing would be to check with your GM and make sure (s)he's not going to want to strangle you for stacking all that stuff =P)

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The Dawnflower Dervish bard has explicit rules text stating that you must worship Sarenrae or you revert to a standard bard.
The Iroran Paladin does not, but does state that each paladin in Irori's service creates their own code, and that strongly states the RAI is that it is Irori only.
Iroran paladins meditate on self-perfection and train relentlessly, knowing that their example can inspire others to excel. Irori offers no universal paladin code— each paladin in his service creates his own code as part of his spiritual journey, seeing the adherence to such a self-formulated creed as one of the many tests one must face to reach perfection.

Jodokai |

Think of it like Brazilian jiu-jitsu.
You don't have to be Brazilian, or live in Brazil.
Not quite the same. Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu came from Brazil. What you're trying to do is say that Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu came from Canada.
It is heavily implied since Iroran literally means "of Irori". At the very least, if you don't worship Irori you have to follow the standard Paladin code, since the god is specifically mentioned in that ability.
I'd also like everyone to favorite this thread, and when a feat comes out with totally wonky wording, like Slashing Grace, and you're wondering why, take a look back here and see if a light bulb doesn't go off.

DTripp |
Wow, I did not expect this to get so much attention.
Thanks for the views, I completely agree with the view that two of them can work together, that's what I was thinking to begin with.
And thank you for the insight on the Iroran Paladin, I'll have to remember to use Archives as my default search next time I look something up

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You could be worshiping a Pantheon, that includes both gods.
In PFS at least, worshipping a pantheon does not allow you the mechanical benefits of worshipping multiple gods.