What happens if you decapitated a male and female troll, then place the heads on the wrong bodies?


Rules Questions


That was question 1.
Question 2. What happens if you slice a troll proportionally equal down the center of the body?
Question 3. Would a troll burger stand make money?


2. The biggest piece regens.

I am not going to presume that I could EVER get the two halves exactly equal. Even if I did...the insides are not going to be mirrored. If I was GMing, I would say 'the end with the heart' and be done with it.

3. Yes, but for the wrong reasons. Since anyone brave enough to eat troll burgers must be rather manly, they obviously eat it rare. Ergo, it would technically have some of the ingredients of a troll blood elixir. I would let it give fast healing 1 for a minute. That has value, since it is the same as an infernal healing.


1. Does the male and female part even matter? Sticking the head on another body does nothing. Either the heads start regrowing bodies, the bodies starts regrowing heads, or the GM considers the failed fort save on the coup de grace of decapitation to be something other than death by loss of hitpoints and thus prevents regeneration.

2. You fail to slice the troll all the way before it starts regenerating. Seriously, trolls are big and it's just going to grow back around the part of the cut you made.
2a. (Assuming you really go to a lot of work and make a full-body guillotine because you're Evil McWizardjerk the Curious.) One side starts regenerating, or the GM considers the failed fort save on the coup de grace of bisection to be something other than death by loss of hitpoints and thus prevents regeneration.

3. No, it would not. It's needlessly cruel, inferior quality meat, and you would be out-competed by the other infinite meat production loophole: raising livestock.


1. You start receiving visits from bands of murder hobos who think it's just fine to kill you and take your stuff.
3. "thin and rubbery, loathsome"


Hilarity ensues?


Way back in the second edition days, I had put forth a theory that ALL trolls were the same troll infinitely regenerating into a species.

It all started with a wizard making a regenerating flesh golem. Adventurers hacked it up, the proto-troll regenerated into 4 new trolls. Thrilled with the side effect the wizard continued using his proto-trolls to conquer new lands. Finally the wizard died, the trolls now leaderless tried to continue alone, knowing only violence. Centuries passed, the trolls continued altering themselves through their regeneration. Trolls that were damaged in the sea regenerated with gills, those damaged in the far north became icy. When two trolls choose to BREED, it is a violent event, they tear into each other with a passion. The viable portions torn off grow into the new offspring.

Yeah, have fun with that.

Anyway, Using my model:
1- You now have 4 trolls, gender is meaningless.
2- You have siblings
3- What the F--- is wrong with you?

Scarab Sages

Okay, I saw the title of this thread alone, and I wound up literally LOLing.


Phoenix M wrote:

1- You now have 4 trolls, gender is meaningless.

2- You have siblings
3- What the F--- is wrong with you?

By this logic

3- TINY TROLLS BURSTING OUT OF PEOPLE'S BELLIES


1-you end up with one live troll - yourself. For the others decapitation would be a death effect.
2- +1 to the "slicing it in equal halves is not doable" voices
3-In Warhammer I believe there is an ogre or someone like that whoe ate a troll and became horribly fat and never hungry, with the troll constantly regenerating and geting consumed back. In pathfinder you'd notice that getting swallowed would yield acid damage and stop regeneration. Still the stall would end up bust most probably due to low demand and costly supply. People would simply be too afraid of having the troll grow back in their stomachs and ripping them apart.


I'm pretty sure that old-school versions of regenerating trolls had nothing about severed parts withering and dying - the general assumption was that if a troll lost a finger, that finger would regenerate into a new troll (and the original would regenerate his missing finger) so now you'd have two trolls.

I once had a troll army attack a city. Thousands of trolls. Once the heroes tracked it down, they found out it was one crazy troll who kept chopping off his own toes to produce this army, 10 new trolls every few hours (I don't, now, remember the time it took for a toe to regenerate into a whole troll). He even got his "generals" to use their own toes to grow the army faster.

Pathfinder regeneration doesn't work the same way. Severed parts wither and die. How do you define a part? Simplest answer is whichever is the smaller portion after the severing/slicing/sundering.

Another simple answer is to pick an organ (brain, heart, liver, appendix, whatever makes sense to you) and assume that is the source for the regeneration so whichever "part" contains that organ is the part that regenerates (if that organ is severed, anything goes - do you grow two trolls, does only the largest part of the organ regenerate a troll, or is it permanently slain?).

This is how I do it (a bit of a house rule but RAW has no rule so I needed something). I picked the appendix because, well, at least SOME monster needed a use for it. Cut a troll in half, the half with the appendix regenerates. Cut it in such a way that you cut the appendix in half, now you get two trolls. Trolls cannot do this to themselves to reproduce because that kind of massive injury kills them before they succeed, then they just regenerate back to health without ever "reproducing".

Putting the wrong heads on the trolls would, IMO, do nothing - the part with the appendix would just grown a new (correct) head to replace the lost one while the severed heads would wither and die as described.

As for troll burgers, I think the descriptive text makes this unappetizing to all but the most starving of people. Since the severed meat doesn't regenerate, there is no danger to the consumers. As a source of infinite meat, it could work, but even a troll is only good for a fairly small number of burgers before he's out of meat and then you have to wait around for him to regenerate more. If you plan to open a burger joint, you might want several trolls. And lots of marinade.

Me, I'll just put a ring of regeneration on a the best blue-ribbon cow I can find...


As for question 3. A goblin tribe is attacking another tribe for the endless source of food it has. The goblins have stopped terrorizing the local townsfolk. One of the players asked the question.


DM_Blake wrote:
I'm pretty sure that old-school versions of regenerating trolls had nothing about severed parts withering and dying - the general assumption was that if a troll lost a finger, that finger would regenerate into a new troll (and the original would regenerate his missing finger) so now you'd have two trolls.

If you go all the way back to the original regenerating troll (in Poul Anderson's Three Hearts and Three Lions), the party lops an arm off. The arm keeps attacking on its own, but doesn't regrow -- it does re-connect, however, when it scuttles over to the troll and touches the stump. Gygax was pretty open about using this troll as the model for D&D trolls.


Specifically due to the troll nature of this question, I'm hesitant to answer.


StDrake wrote:
decapitation would be a death effect

Is there any source for this? I remember failing to find a clear definition of 'Death Effect' in the rulebook but maybe there's been something more official since then?

Most of the rules questions on this seem to think that a thing is only a Death Effect if it says it is in the rules or is a spell with the Death descriptor.

Liberty's Edge

Sir Reginald von Milquetoast, He of the Battle-Yellowed Pantaloons: (in his vigilante getup) Behold, heroes, look at the justice that RONALLLLLLLLLLLLD JUSTICE~!! has wrought upon these evildoer trolls!

Freddy the Fighter: Reggie, what the actual hell is wrong with you!?

Rita the Rogue: Did you seriously just pull a Head of Vecna on these two trolls!? D:

Sir Reginald: Nonsense! Everybody knows Vecna only has one eye!

Amy the Alchemist: Please, Reggie. I'm on my knees in a five-electrum piece pair of pants. Seek. Professional. Help. (stage whisper) Did you save some of their blood?

Sir Reginald: (makes "call me" gesture to Amy; never mind that Iron Age Finland has a distinct lack of telephones and neither one of these characters can cast Message)


1: You'd have two trolls, with the correct heads regenerating on the bodies, both holding the head of the other troll, and likely a little pissed at you.

2: You'd have one troll, grown from the 'larger' half, and if it can't be determined, coin toss. It may be pretty pissed at you for trying to saw it neatly down the middle.

3: You'd probably inspire whatever realm you're in to invent the health inspector. And if sentients are put off by gianthide armour for its source being sentient, they're definitely going to dislike trollmeat. Plus you'll still have upset trolls.


Mmmmmm Trollburgers.

[Probably tastes a bit like either Big Cat or Crocodile.]

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