Do martial characters really need better things?

[Insain Dragoon]

HWalsh wrote:

kyrt-ryder wrote:

HWalsh wrote:

kyrt-ryder wrote:

It's kind of funny Walsh, you seem to think I and those like me are just munchkins who care nothing for roleplay and immersion and are only interested in the mechanics.

That could not be farther from the truth in many cases [my own included.]

You absolutely put mechanics above other aspects or you wouldn't ever call a character "dead weight" by any stretch.

You are absolutely wrong. I place them equal and both very very high.

I call a character "dead weight" because they've BEEN dead weight.

I've played a Cleric who fired a Fighter in order to hire a Druid in his place.

Not because I value mechanics over roleplay, but because in the roleplay the character was dead weight.

They were dragging us down, they took a share of our treasure they did not earn and they were putting themselves in danger beyond their ability to deal with.

They were better off fired, so I didn't have to send his wife and kids a wine basket and a note of apology.

As your GM the very next session I would have made sure that you found yourselves in an AM field.

Why would a wildshaping Druid Care?

[HWalsh]

kyrt-ryder wrote:

HWalsh wrote:

kyrt-ryder wrote:

HWalsh wrote:

kyrt-ryder wrote:

It's kind of funny Walsh, you seem to think I and those like me are just munchkins who care nothing for roleplay and immersion and are only interested in the mechanics.

That could not be farther from the truth in many cases [my own included.]

You absolutely put mechanics above other aspects or you wouldn't ever call a character "dead weight" by any stretch.

You are absolutely wrong. I place them equal and both very very high.

I call a character "dead weight" because they've BEEN dead weight.

I've played a Cleric who fired a Fighter in order to hire a Druid in his place.

Not because I value mechanics over roleplay, but because in the roleplay the character was dead weight.

They were dragging us down, they took a share of our treasure they did not earn and they were putting themselves in danger beyond their ability to deal with.

They were better off fired, so I didn't have to send his wife and kids a wine basket and a note of apology.

As your GM the very next session I would have made sure that you found yourselves in an AM field.

An actual Anti-magic field as cast by a caster of the appropriate level [we certainly weren't high enough level to be facing a dragon capable of casting it]?

Sounds good to me. My Morningstar, the Druid's Scimitar and Tiger, and the Bard's Longsword and Bow all work great in an Antimagic field.

The Wizard would have run and hid, but that's ok.

There is more than one way to get an Antimagic field up.

[Metal Sonic]

kyrt-ryder wrote:

The Wizard would have run and hid, but that's ok.

Gate, son, Gate.

[kyrt-ryder]

HWalsh wrote:

There is more than one way to get an Antimagic field up.

If you're talking about some kind of permanent AMF or artifact AMF or something that's some serious GM douchebaggery. ESPECIALLY since it wasn't pre-planned and spontaneously became part of the campaign because we got rid of the dead weight.

Right then and there I'd be firing the GM and I can assure you the rest of the players would have been with me in this regard. If the GM were willing to play he'd be welcome to become a player in the new GM's not-douchebag-campaign, or we'd just part ways.

[knightnday]

Again, it's a matter of experience. If you haven't experienced the problem, then of course you can be adamant about saying it doesn't exist.

It does.

I've been playing a very long time across the wide assortment of D&Ds/Pathfinder and the problem exists. It exists in most games that employ a system where someone gets powers beyond what the others can claim.

Are there ways to deal with it and be happy? Sure. But I'd be lying if I said that it isn't there, and that it could be addressed, that there are things that can be done to smooth out the system a bit.

If you haven't experienced something, don't discount others experiences.