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"Murderhobo" has become shorthand for the worst among Society, thieving, amoral basterds with chips on ALL the shoulders, but that's not what it meant earlier. Originally, and this goes back years, the term referred to those kinds of characters who were...just there.
No family, no background, no ethics whatsoever. They didn't even have a home off-mission, but sustained themselves purely on looting bodies and dungeons. Mostly this had to do with being played by someone who just didn't care about this. Rolling dice with mates was where it's at, so Bob the Fighter was born.
These days murderhobos might have pages and pages of background, wants and feelings! I know mine does.
but I am often wrong... so I still am at a loss on this. Whatever...The Spit-Take.?still puzzled.Your initial post in this chain was "Clearly I was mistaken. Happens a lot."
TOZ's "*spittake*" comment was meant to imply surprise or shock at such a sentiment in a humorous manner.
I'd guess less surprise that someone on the internet was wrong... but shock and awe that someone (possibly not you in particular) would ADMIT it him/herself.
That's where a spittake would be appropriate ;)
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I actually have more problems with mind-control Magic than with slavery. I've been thinking of running an Andoran with a Crusade against this sort of thing.
charms, command, unnatural lust, control spells maybe even summon spells
Directed against enemies who you'd be otherwise trying to kill, I don't have a big problem with them.
Even against innocents in extremis - charming the loyal guard to let you past so you can stop the assassination attempt on his boss, for example.
Wantonly used for your own advantage, not so much.
Clearly we have a difference of opinion on this.
But no need to derail this thread.
it actually is an interesting corundum in the context of the thread. My Liberty's Edge bard may have to look at her spell selection. Is it right to suborn the free will of another for a good reason? Is temporarily enslaving* another a 'slippery slope' she wants to go down? Thanks for the concept, nosig.
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it actually is an interesting corundum in the context of the thread. My Liberty's Edge bard may have to look at her spell selection. Is it right to suborn the free will of another for a good reason? Is temporarily enslaving* another a 'slippery slope' she wants to go down? Thanks for the concept, nosig.** spoiler omitted **
I have a conjurer in a non-PFS play-by-post, and I've been rethinking his focus on summoning spells after an experience that essentially put him in the role of a summoned creature. At least I have the pit spells!
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I have several character's who own slaves.
They don't have stats, they are non-combatants. They don't get minis, they don't make checks, they don't hold torches etc.
They are appropriate background flavor for some characters though.
Okay, I don't get this. I am not a member of PFS so you'll have to forgive me. Is PFS a video game? Because if it's a roleplaying game and your character owns a human being, and they are in an encounter and the PC tells the human being your PC owns "Hold my torch". (Because you are feeding and clothing, and hopefully treating this person well...) Why wouldn't this person hold your torch?
Most of the slaves have no mechanical effect. There are a couple exceptions, Vanties like the porter gives extra carrying capactity for example.
Most all of the Vanities 'disappear' when combat breaks out since they don't have stats. For my PCs for example, Shankar's Herald vanity doesn't do anything even if she travels with him, and Lani's two halfling slaves (bought as cover) don't have any in game effect except for costing him 200 GP. I 'fluff' that they serve for his information brokerage vanity, but they're really not related.
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A couple of people seem to be arguing against slavery in general, not against its inclusion in the roleplaying game. Just wanna make it clear - I'm pretty sure we're all anti-slavery here. You're preaching to the choir. The topic really is the issue of whether slaves should be included in the RPG.
My characters do a lot of things I wouldn't. My barbarian decapitates people who insult her manliness. My paladin would never kill a living soul, even if they were relentlessly evil and showed no signs of remorse. My mesmerist plays with peoples' minds like they're toys and has no respect for human(oid) life or free will.
It's fun to have characters who go beyond what we do in the real world, even if some of those things are pretty horrible. If we can murder, steal, and raise the undead, we can also have some slaves without condoning it in the real world.
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The greater cynic might point out that if a character is low enough in level to actually play that scenario they have almost zero chance of surviving long enough to see that plan through.** spoiler omitted **
Having dumped neither, I couldn't tell you, but I know exactly what to do with slave-taking scum.** spoiler omitted **
Why's that? She's got no stats. :P
A list of slave prices would be good. Is there anything like that in any of the books? Has anyone here written something like it up?
How much do ordinary laborers cost? Concubines? Tutors?
Of course prices would vary a lot based on the local markets, but the same holds true of many items that the books give 'standard' prices for anyway. It's convenient for gaming purposes to have such lists.
Slave markets offer an incentive for PCs to capture, rather than just kill out of hand, intelligent baddies.
PCs might want to get some human/humanoid baggage carriers for expeditions. Ditto slave labor force for building strongholds.
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A list of slave prices would be good. Is there anything like that in any of the books? Has anyone here written something like it up?
How much do ordinary laborers cost? Concubines? Tutors?
Of course prices would vary a lot based on the local markets, but the same holds true of many items that the books give 'standard' prices for anyway. It's convenient for gaming purposes to have such lists.
Slave markets offer an incentive for PCs to capture, rather than just kill out of hand, intelligent baddies.
PCs might want to get some human/humanoid baggage carriers for expeditions. Ditto slave labor force for building strongholds.
Adventurer's Armory, pg. 21
Slave - 75 gp
Slave, Hard Labor - 100 gp
Slave, Household - 50 gp
Slave, Slip (Halfling) - 100gp
Slave, Specialized - 500 gp
(edit: remember, there are likely a lot of specialized laws (written and unwritten) and rules concerning ownership and use of slaves and slave labor that are not addressed in existing rules... and this entire subject is very much subject to table variation. Added to this, what is "legal" in one place may be prohibited in another... YMMV.)
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Slave markets offer an incentive for PCs to capture, rather than just kill out of hand, intelligent baddies.
Can't make any money that way in PFS.
PCs might want to get some human/humanoid baggage carriers for expeditions.From the Organized Play Guide: "We assume that you have enough bags, backpacks, or muscle to haul around the loot you find or, in the case of an urban scenario, immediate access to markets and bazaars where you can sell your goods."
Ditto slave labor force for building strongholds.
Not applicable to PCs at all in PFS.
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I'd rather pay day wages 1 or 2 silver per worker per day in most cases. A recent game DM asks me so you'll need to transport these items (weighing 1k pounds each) let's see some str checks.
No problem says I, 3 man work crew plus a foreman and a block & tackle. 2 teams in case of failure and to prevent. Cost a few gold when it was all done.
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I'd rather pay day wages 1 or 2 silver per worker per day in most cases. A recent game DM asks me so you'll need to transport these items (weighing 1k pounds each) let's see some str checks.
No problem says I, 3 man work crew plus a foreman and a block & tackle. 2 teams in case of failure and to prevent. Cost a few gold when it was all done.
...and this is why in some districts of Cheliax it is against the law for freemen to do many forms of manual labor (cutting into the livelihood of slaves and slave owners).
Moving large stone blocks? Got to call the Stone Masons Guild.
Foreman: "Six 1,000 lb. blocks? Transported more than 30'? Got to have a team of 5 slaves, plus an indentured servant taskmaster. Guild rules you know plus standard equipment charges, plus overtime fees, union dues, body oil, insurance, extra stone dust, torches for night work - just incase we run long, transport duties, project license, district duties, standard bribes, extra for a rush job, additional duties, exception fees, equipment damage coverage - ware and tear on the whip if nothing else, donation for the retirement fund, ... altogether looks like 60 gp and we'll be able to fit you in next month on the 12th."
and now that it's a Guild job, there'll be a slip down to watch and make sure you don't try to get non-guild workers in to do it on the hush-hush. That's the LAW. Have a nice day.
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A couple of people seem to be arguing against slavery in general, not against its inclusion in the roleplaying game. Just wanna make it clear - I'm pretty sure we're all anti-slavery here. You're preaching to the choir. The topic really is the issue of whether slaves should be included in the RPG.
My characters do a lot of things I wouldn't. My barbarian decapitates people who insult her manliness. My paladin would never kill a living soul, even if they were relentlessly evil and showed no signs of remorse. My mesmerist plays with peoples' minds like they're toys and has no respect for human(oid) life or free will.
It's fun to have characters who go beyond what we do in the real world, even if some of those things are pretty horrible. If we can murder, steal, and raise the undead, we can also have some slaves without condoning it in the real world.
I felt the need to float Zeke's post to the top of this thread... bolding mine...
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I felt the need to float Zeke's post to the top of this thread... bolding mine...A couple of people seem to be arguing against slavery in general, not against its inclusion in the roleplaying game. Just wanna make it clear - I'm pretty sure we're all anti-slavery here. You're preaching to the choir. The topic really is the issue of whether slaves should be included in the RPG.
My characters do a lot of things I wouldn't. My barbarian decapitates people who insult her manliness. My paladin would never kill a living soul, even if they were relentlessly evil and showed no signs of remorse. My mesmerist plays with peoples' minds like they're toys and has no respect for human(oid) life or free will.
It's fun to have characters who go beyond what we do in the real world, even if some of those things are pretty horrible. If we can murder, steal, and raise the undead, we can also have some slaves without condoning it in the real world.
See nosig, that isn't just letting the thread die the ignoble death it deserves. Make like Elsa and let it go dude.
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point of order.
ewan cummings restarted the thread, not nosig. He's no more "regurgitating info and keeping a contentious topic going for little reason" than you are.
Once. Random dude posted once, nosig posted three times before I asked him to drop it. Also, this is me following my own advice and dropping it.
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who's "Elsa"?See nosig, that isn't just letting the thread die the ignoble death it deserves. Make like Elsa and let it go dude.I felt the need to float Zeke's post to the top of this thread... bolding mine...A couple of people seem to be arguing against slavery in general, not against its inclusion in the roleplaying game. Just wanna make it clear - I'm pretty sure we're all anti-slavery here. You're preaching to the choir. The topic really is the issue of whether slaves should be included in the RPG.
My characters do a lot of things I wouldn't. My barbarian decapitates people who insult her manliness. My paladin would never kill a living soul, even if they were relentlessly evil and showed no signs of remorse. My mesmerist plays with peoples' minds like they're toys and has no respect for human(oid) life or free will.
It's fun to have characters who go beyond what we do in the real world, even if some of those things are pretty horrible. If we can murder, steal, and raise the undead, we can also have some slaves without condoning it in the real world.