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So here's my situation, I've made a Thrallherd, which is a 3rd party prestige class from Dreamscarred Press.
I've decided to theme it off The Hatter from Alice in Wonderland. The Thrallherd is known as The Hatter, the believers are known as the Tea Party, and the Thralls will be known as the March Hare and the Dormouse. I get one when I start the prestige class, and a second when I max out levels in Thrallherd.
My only issue is that I'd like to be able to host a random tea party, using a magic item to create the table, chairs, candles, etc...
I've weaseled the magic down to Mage's Magnificent Mansion which covers all the bases I need, but it's going to be wherever we are at the time. My character would simply pull out a pocket watch, and shout "TEA TIME!" and out springs a vast table decorated to the brim with foods teas, cups, everything that is part of a tea party.
My only issue is that 39 10-ft. cubes is a bit excessive in length for a table, even for the Mad Hatter. So is there a way to reduce this table size to something more reasonable, or must the minimum caster level for creation be 13?
An item that creates a Heroes Feast 1/day would do this. Here is an example:
Table Cloth of Feasting (Heroes’ Feast, CL 12, 1/day; 25,000 gp value)
Ah~ Wonderful! Then The Tea Party shall commence once the commission is complete! Though I do struggle with a thought. Does it cover medium, large, and small creatures?
And I'm guessing, by your math, the caster level to create the item has to be the same or greater than the minimum caster level required to cast the spell.
The caster level for this item would 12th so it would seat a dozen creatures. The size of the creatures would not matter, as it is just creatures effected by the spell effects.
If you wanted more creatures effected, the caster level would need to be increased. Heroes' Feast is one creature per caster level.
The math is as follows:
Command Word (1800 GP) x Spell Level (6) x Caster Level (12)= 129,600
You divide that by the cost of 1 use per day, which is 5/the number of uses per day, so 5/1=5.
So, 129,600 gp divided by 5= 25,900 gp, rounded off to 25,000 gp.
I love the theme by the way, the Tea Party/Mad Hatter idea is great!
Thanks! I even thought of using the Psionic version of Dominate to deal with interlopers who would try to ruin the party. So far I can only maximize the spell to hit about 4 or 5, but with the right amount of power I could probably dominate a young dragon as well. I'm still giggling to myself over the thought of having a dragon join the tea party, everybody just looking around nervously as the hatter shouts, "Change places!" and the dragon obeys, pushing everyone out of the way to the next spot over.
Lol, that would be quite a sight!
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Why not use Heroes' Feast?
Well I've got a chance at that! I'm in the Rise of the Runelords campaign and I've been allotted a single broken character, because of a travesty in our last 'session'. I showed up and wound up waiting 4 hours, doing nothing except watching others play video games, because three people were making their characters. I understand making a lvl 11 character takes time, but it shouldn't take 4+ hours, with people helping like they were.
Swashbucklersdc wrote: An item that creates a Heroes Feast 1/day would do this. Here is an example:
Table Cloth of Feasting (Heroes’ Feast, CL 12, 1/day; 25,000 gp value)
It is bad to use a spell that way, as that spell has multiple effects and you should use the bonuses separately.
Also the item creation rules require you to build items based on similar items.
This is a similar item - Cornucopia of Plenty
OP:
Do you want a benefit other than food and the tables? I'd recommend just doing the Cornucopia.
James Risner wrote: It is bad to use a spell that way, as that spell has multiple effects and you should use the bonuses separately. "Opinions vary" Dalton, Roadhouse
Here's how I'm hoping it'll work. Take the mythic function of the Cornucopia of Plenty, make it the only function, minus the mythic requirement, that can be triggered once per day. The magical item in question is a pocket watch with a cup of tea emblazoned on it's cover. When opened, there are two faces. The main face, and a smaller face. The small face depicts the time of day, while the main face appears to be broken, but in actuality determines the number of participants, up to 12 (Representing numbers available on a clock face), and the theme of the tea party. The watch alerts my character five minutes ahead of time, allowing him to decide the theme and number of guests. Once decided, the watch spawns a table of appropriate size, number of chairs, plates, cups, tea, food, the whole nine yards. The tea party refreshes the partakers as though they had rested for a full 8 hours. The party lasts for one hour and once it's over everything returns to the watch.
All of this for 25,000g. That's 5k more than a portable hole, and not anywhere near as versatile. The watch is basically a Hatter themed, gimmick, which could throw an incredibly tense situation upside down because even hostiles can be invited to the tea party.
I love the flavor! Really cool approach to making the item themed.
The upside is that with my character's ability to dominate, he can force attendees to cooperate or take a flying leap, metaphorically speaking. He appreciates the goals of individuals, but it's quite intolerable when tensions ruin his daily tea parties.
The only downside right now is that I've got almost no gold for the item. So I'm hoping my character can usher his believers to work their butts off to help in paying for, or creating, the magical item in question.
Swashbucklersdc wrote: James Risner wrote: It is bad to use a spell that way, as that spell has multiple effects and you should use the bonuses separately. "Opinions vary" Dalton, Roadhouse Yep but the rules say don't do that in item creation rules.
No, the rules say, "Consult the GM". If the GM okays the idea, then it's fine, if not, then try to meet a compromise.
Actually Blinger, the item creation rules tell the GM it's up to him and if so follow this path:
Find a similar item and match price
Find a item of similar power And match similar price
If all else fails use this chart
I'm still right. The GM dictates the final verdict. Though it is rather frowned upon when someone uses item creation to make something powerful at a greatly reduced cost. Example: The True-Strike Mace. While it would technically only cost 2,000 per item creation rules, it's much better than a +5 enhancement which is 50,000. Thus the 200,000 price tag to keep the broken item from falling into the hands of a 5th level character.
James Risner wrote: Actually Blinger, the item creation rules tell the GM it's up to him and if so follow this path:
Find a similar item and match price
Find a item of similar power And match similar price
If all else fails use this chart
In the 3.5 Stronghold Builders Guide, there is the Table of Feasting, 3 charges of Heroes' feast for 43K gp. That would be your most similar item James, and would match cost at approximately 25,920 gp for 1 charge instead of 43K for 3 uses per day.
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