Ran in to an npc that has a couple magic whips. They are +1 flaming and unholy. Now according to the good o'll whip rules the whip does no damage to people with armor which lead me to a couple questions.
If I hit with the whip and do no damage do I still apply the unholy and flaming damage?
If I use the whip for a disarm/trip attack do I apply the unholy and flaming damage?
I did a search but didn't find the info I was looking for so any help is appreciated.
Combat maneuvers generally don't deal weapon damage, with the exception of if you have spiked armor or something. Disarm/Trip shouldn't deal damage.
It would make sense to add flaming, and maybe unholy damage, but as written, you don't add the damage because the whip doesn't deal any damage.
Whip Mastery lets you deal whip damage normally.
Adding the Deadly special ability is an alternative to Whip Mastery if you want to able to deal lethal damage and affect armored foes.
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A whip deals no damage to any creature with an armor bonus of +1 or higher or a natural armor bonus of +3 or higher. The whip is treated as a melee weapon with 15-foot reach, though you don't threaten the area into which you can make an attack. In addition, unlike most other weapons with reach, you can use it against foes anywhere within your reach (including adjacent foes).
Using a whip provokes an attack of opportunity, just as if you had used a ranged weapon.
You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to attack rolls with a whip sized for you, even though it isn't a light weapon.
Flaming states extra damage, so it is defeated when base whip damage is defeated.
Unholy states extra damage, so it is defeated when base whip damage is defeated.Deadly (Direct PRD link)
Brilliant Energy is more expensive, but also lets you bypass their armor (but not natural armor).
Price 5 gp
Type exotic
This whip has a series of razor-sharp blades and fangs inset along its tip. It deals lethal damage, even to creatures with armor bonuses. If you are proficient with whips, you can use a scorpion whip as a whip.
/cevah
In order to use a Scorpion Whip as a Whip, though, you need to have both proficiencies, so you might as well get Weapon Focus (Whip) and Whip Mastery instead of Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Scorpion Whip).
In order to use a Scorpion Whip as a Whip, though, you need to have both proficiencies, so you might as well get Weapon Focus (Whip) and Whip Mastery instead of Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Scorpion Whip).
Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Whip) lets you use a Scorpion Whip. What is the second proficiency you need?
/cevah
You need Whip in order to use it as a Whip, otherwise the only property the Scorpion Whip has is Performance (no Reach, Disarm, or Trip).
Do you mean to say you need EWP(Scorpion Whip) to get the lethality? That is not what I read.
/cevah
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Scorpion Whips are a bloody mess, even after this FAQ.
"If you are proficient with both scorpion whips and whips, you can use a scorpion whip in either the normal way, as a typical light performance weapon, or as a whip. When you use a scorpion whip as a whip, it is otherwise equivalent to a whip, but it deals lethal damage and can harm creatures regardless of their armor bonus." This change will be reflected in future errata.
What this means is that the scorpion whip is normally a light performance weapon with no other special weapon features, but that someone with both proficiencies can also use it as a whip, in which case it acts precisely like a whip in all ways (one-handed weapon, attack out to 15 feet, provoke an attack of opportunity, can use the Whip Mastery feats, etc) except that it deals lethal damage and can harm creatures regardless of their armor bonus.
You need both proficiencies to have whip features and lethal damage.
Scorpion Whips are a bloody mess, even after this FAQ.
You need both proficiencies to have whip features and lethal damage."If you are proficient with both scorpion whips and whips, you can use a scorpion whip in either the normal way, as a typical light performance weapon, or as a whip. When you use a scorpion whip as a whip, it is otherwise equivalent to a whip, but it deals lethal damage and can harm creatures regardless of their armor bonus." This change will be reflected in future errata.
What this means is that the scorpion whip is normally a light performance weapon with no other special weapon features, but that someone with both proficiencies can also use it as a whip, in which case it acts precisely like a whip in all ways (one-handed weapon, attack out to 15 feet, provoke an attack of opportunity, can use the Whip Mastery feats, etc) except that it deals lethal damage and can harm creatures regardless of their armor bonus.
A whip deals no damage to any creature with an armor bonus of +1 or higher or a natural armor bonus of +3 or higher. The whip is treated as a melee weapon with 15-foot reach, though you don't threaten the area into which you can make an attack. In addition, unlike most other weapons with reach, you can use it against foes anywhere within your reach (including adjacent foes).
Using a whip provokes an attack of opportunity, just as if you had used a ranged weapon.
You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to attack rolls with a whip sized for you, even though it isn't a light weapon.
Price 5 gp
Type exotic
This whip has a series of razor-sharp blades and fangs inset along its tip. It deals lethal damage, even to creatures with armor bonuses. If you are proficient with whips, you can use a scorpion whip as a whip.
Weapons .. Whip .. Scorpion whip
Cost .. 1 gp .. 5 gp
Dmg (S) .. 1d2 .. 1d3
Dmg (M) .. 1d3 .. 1d4
Critical .. ×2 .. ×2
Weight .. 2 lbs. .. 3 lbs.
Type .. S .. S
Special .. disarm, nonlethal, reach, trip .. Performance
The FAQ means that the Scorpion Whip does NOT have 15' reach, UNLESS you have the EWP(Whip). Weird.
The FAQ means that the Scorpion Whip can be used as non-lethal if you have EWP(Whip). Huh?/cevah
Yeah, a feat is a little pricey just to bump a whip-user up from 1d3 to 1d4, isn't it?
The FAQ means that the Scorpion Whip can be used as non-lethal if you have EWP(Whip). Huh?
I don't think you can deal nonlethal (without the -4 penalty or the Merciful special ability).
...someone with both proficiencies can also use it as a whip, in which case it acts precisely like a whip in all ways (one-handed weapon, attack out to 15 feet, provoke an attack of opportunity, can use the Whip Mastery feats, etc) except that it deals lethal damage and can harm creatures regardless of their armor bonus.
So there are two ways that it does not act like a whip when in one-handed mode.
(1) It deals lethal damage
(2) It can harm creatures regardless of their armor bonus.
Since there isn't a qualifier like can or may for statement (1), I don't think it is optional.
My bad.
However, it still does not damage natural armor bonus of +3 or higher, since a regular Whip doesn't and the Scorpion Whip does not bypass it either.
/cevah
Actually it does harm enemies regardless of their AC.
...someone with both proficiencies can also use it as a whip, in which case it acts precisely like a whip in all ways (one-handed weapon, attack out to 15 feet, provoke an attack of opportunity, can use the Whip Mastery feats, etc) except that it deals lethal damage and can harm creatures regardless of their armor bonus.
Armor =/= Natural Armor
/cevah
Armor =/= Natural Armor
/cevah
Hmmm. That is a good point.