I'm not sure if this is a different rule this year, or if I just don't recall it from previous years. So if I wanted to use a spell from Inner Sea Magic as a requirement to create my magic item, would I be up for disqualification?
If you can find it on the PRD, it's fair game and I think if it's in a publicly released official Paizo product (i.e. not someone elses product, not beta product, nor playtest product) it is also fair game, so I think you would be fine.
I am sure one of the moderators will tell us if I'm wrong :)
Just be careful not to reveal things too specific about what you intend to use or reference as that way runs the risk of identifying your item and getting DQ'd.
Did i miss that rule? not seeing it
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It's at the end of the first paragraph of the Open Call Rules.
Design a compelling magic item for use with the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, using the Item Creation guidelines on page 548 of the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook... Do not reference any rules not available in the Pathfinder Reference Document.
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The rules specifically says PRD, so I would NOT use something not from that source (even if it's Paizo). This makes me sad as it means no Occult Adventures material.
The rules also exclude anything from the Tech Guide.
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Yeah, I was sad about that tech guide exclusion.
My bazooka of goblin launching will have to wait for another year :P
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Yeah, I was sad about that tech guide exclusion.
My bazooka of goblin launching will have to wait for another year :P
That idea can't wait. Someone has to make it.
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If I get a spare half hour, I'll make it up as an example entry and post to the forums - I can't promise a quick turn around as I am working on my actual entry at the momemt.
So far
- List of possibles - Done
- Whittle the down to the best idea - Done
- Written out bullet list of things about that idea - Done
- Choose the powers it will have - Done
- Write the bullet list of selections into first draft wording - Done
- Stick it all in the template - Done
- Start the formal wording, starting with the initial description - Done
- Write the formal wording of the main core power - About to Start
- Write the closing details of the description - To do
- Select the construction details - To do
- Sort out the aura and caster levels - To do
- Calculate the price - To do
- Complete the template - To do
- Sit on it for a day - To do
- Read it fresh - To do
- Revisions - To do
- Check revised design against round rules - to do
- Fix anything - to do
- Get Friends/Family/Fellow Gamers reviews - To do
- Consider feedback and revisions as needed - to do
- Repeat from Sit on it for a day until either a) only 12 hours to deadline, or b) I can tell myself it is done
- Then AND ONLY THEN
- Open the submission form - to be done
- Paste the name WITHOUT bb encoding in the name box - to be done
- Paste the whole entry WITH bb encoded name at the top into the bigger entry box - to be done
- HIT PREVIEW BUTTON - I will slap you silly if you dont! Fair warning!
- Check the word count and the title shows above your formatted entry - to do
- Fix anything IN YOUR EDITOR, not the submission tool
- PREVIEW AGAIN!
- Repeat until you are happy it is ready to enter, then and only then, hit SUBMIT
- At this stage we all cry because it is now we spot that tiny oopsie staring us in the face all day :P
here is a Link to the PRD if you need one.
While it's safe to assume people generally know where the PRD is... I thought I might supply it for any who don't know/have it, to avoid silly disqualifications.
Holy moly I almost walked right into this one, thanks guys my item would have been disqualified if not for this thread.
Holy moly I almost walked right into this one, thanks guys my item would have been disqualified if not for this thread.
I was in the same boat as you Chris, which is why I asked. I often take a look at new spells for inspiration and I was reading a book that is not in the PRD when I read that line in the rules.
I am looking forward to seeing the number of disqualifications this year due to people not reading the rules (as always)...
I imagine there will be a lot less of that this year. There are several of the '8 times' entrants who have not posted since April. They may miss it altogether because they haven't read or even seen the rules. Those who have noticed the biggest twist, have probably already seen the rules.
I don't think I can ever call my list of possibles done until I've made a submission.
As some of you are following along with my steps above, my pace has increased...
I have a first draft and I am now in the full edit / review cycle that precedes entry...
Taking a small part of my list above, this is my immediate plan for today and Friday
- Select the construction details - 50% done
- Sort out the aura and caster levels - To do
- Calculate the price - half done
- Complete the template - 90% done
- Sit on it for a day - To do
- Read it fresh - To do
- Revisions - To do
- Check revised design against round rules - to do
- Fix anything - to do
- Get Friends/Family/Fellow Gamers reviews - initial draft out
- Consider feedback and revisions as needed - to do
- Repeat from Sit on it for a day until either a) only 12 hours to deadline, or b) I can tell myself it is done
The to do list of my entire life is a fraction of the size. I feel like a bum now.
UGH. Did not see the PRD thing. There goes the occult adventures items . Now i read that phrenology book for nothing...
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UGH. Did not see the PRD thing. There goes the occult adventures items . Now i read that phrenology book for nothing...
No you didn't, write something for the next Wayfinder that uses it as part of the submission! And then, there is always unleashing it on unsuspecting players :p
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Since it was brought up earlier in this thread....
Liz Courts just weighed in saying that yes, spells/etc also need to be in the PRD. So, no using non-PRD spells, even if they are from an official Paizo product.
Frankly, items that used obscure non-PRD subsystems without book cites are a pretty significant trap when it comes to voters who will have no idea what you mean. I saw a fair number of those last year.
I think 'subsystems' is a completely valid thing-- and it's how I was originally reading the restriction, that it was designed to reduce reliance on unusual/obscure subsystems.
It's just that this decision also takes a lot of spells out of the running that have no such 'subsystems'. My question used in the other thread, for example purposes, was Burst of Radiance. It's a spell that introduces nothing new mechanically, just good ol' terms already in use, but since it's not on the PRD, I have a direct statement from Liz Courts saying not to use it, etc.
Fortunately for my sake, it wasn't a spell I was actually planning on using in my item. But I can see this rule catching a lot of people offguard, because as worded in the Open Call rules...
"any rules not available"
Burst of Radiance does not use any such rules-- it introduces no new mechanics or conditions or types of saves, etc. Yet it's still an ineligible spell by the criteria laid out here on the boards/contest moderators.
I think it's a reasonable reading for someone to only read the Open Call rules, and come away from that thinking that Burst of Radiance/other-spells-in-that-non-PRD-space are legal design tools, and who have not seen this forum in order to realize that, no, it's not. So I hope that those people check the board, I guess, rather than making what I think is a reasonable and well-intended interpretation of the rules as given. *shrug*
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Darn. New weapons or armours aimed at an Occult class, like the occultist, would have been cool. There's nothing in that book for them.
Eliminating non-PRD sources makes sense to prevent obscure stuff from being used and simplify the research required, but it's a shame to eliminate a book because it hasn't made it onto the website yet.
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Yeah, I was sad about that tech guide exclusion.
My bazooka of goblin launching will have to wait for another year :P
How much will it take to convince you to put this in a 3pp product?
How much will it take to convince you to put this in a 3pp product?Yeah, I was sad about that tech guide exclusion.
My bazooka of goblin launching will have to wait for another year :P
Grin. Let me finish my proper entry first. :)
It's now in final review with my review group so fingers crossed I will be submitted and taking part in the next 24-48 hours.
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If I get a spare half hour, I'll make it up as an example entry and post to the forums - I can't promise a quick turn around as I am working on my actual entry at the momemt.
So far
- List of possibles - Done
- Whittle the down to the best idea - Done
- Written out bullet list of things about that idea - Done
- Choose the powers it will have - Done
- Write the bullet list of selections into first draft wording - Done
- Stick it all in the template - Done
- Start the formal wording, starting with the initial description - Done
- Write the formal wording of the main core power - About to Start
- Write the closing details of the description - To do
- Select the construction details - To do
- Sort out the aura and caster levels - To do
- Calculate the price - To do
- Complete the template - To do
- Sit on it for a day - To do
- Read it fresh - To do
- Revisions - To do
- Check revised design against round rules - to do
- Fix anything - to do
- Get Friends/Family/Fellow Gamers reviews - To do
- Consider feedback and revisions as needed - to do
- Repeat from Sit on it for a day until either a) only 12 hours to deadline, or b) I can tell myself it is done
- Then AND ONLY THEN
- Open the submission form - to be done
- Paste the name WITHOUT bb encoding in the name box - to be done
- Paste the whole entry WITH bb encoded name at the top into the bigger entry box - to be done
- HIT PREVIEW BUTTON - I will slap you silly if you dont! Fair warning!
- Check the word count and the title shows above your formatted entry - to do
- Fix anything IN YOUR EDITOR, not the submission tool
- PREVIEW AGAIN!
- Repeat until you are happy it is ready to enter, then and only then, hit SUBMIT
- At this stage we all cry because it is now we spot that tiny oopsie staring us in the face all day :P
I now swear by this list (and especially the last steps) whenever I must submit for RPGSS.
In all honesty, it is one of the few things that helped me be utterly serene when I submitted.
Many many thanks to you, Anthony.
If I get a spare half hour, I'll make it up as an example entry and post to the forums - I can't promise a quick turn around as I am working on my actual entry at the momemt.
So far
- List of possibles - Done
- Whittle the down to the best idea - Done
- Written out bullet list of things about that idea - Done
- Choose the powers it will have - Done
- Write the bullet list of selections into first draft wording - Done
- Stick it all in the template - Done
- Start the formal wording, starting with the initial description - Done
- Write the formal wording of the main core power - About to Start
- Write the closing details of the description - To do
- Select the construction details - To do
- Sort out the aura and caster levels - To do
- Calculate the price - To do
- Complete the template - To do
- Sit on it for a day - To do
- Read it fresh - To do
- Revisions - To do
- Check revised design against round rules - to do
- Fix anything - to do
- Get Friends/Family/Fellow Gamers reviews - To do
- Consider feedback and revisions as needed - to do
- Repeat from Sit on it for a day until either a) only 12 hours to deadline, or b) I can tell myself it is done
- Then AND ONLY THEN
- Open the submission form - to be done
- Paste the name WITHOUT bb encoding in the name box - to be done
- Paste the whole entry WITH bb encoded name at the top into the bigger entry box - to be done
- HIT PREVIEW BUTTON - I will slap you silly if you dont! Fair warning!
- Check the word count and the title shows above your formatted entry - to do
- Fix anything IN YOUR EDITOR, not the submission tool
- PREVIEW AGAIN!
- Repeat until you are happy it is ready to enter, then and only then, hit SUBMIT
- At this stage we all cry because it is now we spot that tiny oopsie staring us in the face all day :P
I now swear by this list (and especially the last steps) whenever I must submit for RPGSS.
In all honesty, it is one of the...
You're welcome.
Glad it was of use.