Using a sword that's the wrong size?


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Scarab Sages

To make a long story short, my new character has obtained an Intelligent Longsword that's imbued with the soul of her aunt, which was my previous character. The sword was the Aunt's primary weapon before she died, so it's a longsword sized for a medium character.

The Niece that I'm now playing is an 11 year old girl, since the Young Characters rules didn't really make sense given her life up to this point, we're using essentially halfling rules in regards to stats, and she's sized Small. Which means the Longsword is the wrong size category and has to be wielded as a two-handed sword.

She's also Sorceress 3/Fighter 1 for classes. Clearly I'm not going for perfect optimization here.

This longsword is obviously important to her, and I'd like for her to be able to use it, but at level 4 she only has 10 strength, so wielding a two handed sword is less than ideal considering she has a +4 dex bonus.

Does anyone know a way I could go about applying her dex bonus to a two handed weapon?

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Ask your GM. One... the longsword isn't finessable to start with, and two, the character is undersized. Your gm has to change the rules to give you what you want.

Sovereign Court

too bad you already went into your fighter level, titan fighter allows you to use a bigger weapon, it's an archetype for fighter.

Liberty's Edge

Eltacolibre wrote:
too bad you already went into your fighter level, titan fighter allows you to use a bigger weapon, it's an archetype for fighter.

Titan Fighter does little til level 3, and it still only lowers penalties for wielding a weapon of the wrong size, it doesn't allow you to use a medium one handed weapon with one hand. You'd be better off asking if you could have a discount on the 7500 GP it costs to make the Resize Item spell permanent. Then take a level of Swashbuckler/Cavalier for slashing grace, or retrain your level of fighter if it's only there for the weapon proficiency, if retraining is allowed, of course.

Grand Lodge

Deighton Thrane wrote:
Eltacolibre wrote:
too bad you already went into your fighter level, titan fighter allows you to use a bigger weapon, it's an archetype for fighter.
Titan Fighter does little til level 3, and it still only lowers penalties for wielding a weapon of the wrong size, it doesn't allow you to use a medium one handed weapon with one hand. You'd be better off asking if you could have a discount on the 7500 GP it costs to make the Resize Item spell permanent. Then take a level of Swashbuckler/Cavalier for slashing grace, or retrain your level of fighter if it's only there for the weapon proficiency, if retraining is allowed, of course.

Cheaper just to add the resizing quality to the sword (4000 gp)

Also there is a powder that you sprinkle it on a weapon, and stick it back in the forge, and the weapon resizes. Not sure if that would piss off an intelligent sword.

Iron Lord's Transforming Slivers 1000 gp

Scarab Sages

Technically her sheet isn't set in stone until I get to the table Thursday night. I was handed her level 1 sheet the DM already had and allowed to make some changes and level her up to 4 with the rest of the party. The only requirements were her knowing Spark and Color Spray, and being more Sorceress than martial class. Which basically means 3-1 ratio.

I'll definitely look into Resize Item, but can a permanency spell be dispelled at the owner's discretion? She's a child now but she'll grow up eventually and still keep the sword.

And google is not helping me find the Resizing quality, do you have a link to the information somewhere or a book/page number I can reference?

Grand Lodge

Archive of Nethys is your friend:

resizing Giant Hunter's hand book.

If you are only going to resize it twice though, the Iron Lord's transforming slivers are a better bet.

On the other hand, if you have a familiar, resizing is a great way to sneak your sword past guards. Just have your familiar try to pick it up. It resizes to tiny, then put them both in your familiar pouch...


There's a weapon property called transformative, but that's 10,000 gp. It enables the weapon to change Size category and handedness to suit its wielder without changing overall size - e.g. Medium longsword/Small greatsword.

Given being level 4, having the GM set those requirements on the character, and being a Small character with a strength penalty, you'd be better off carrying the sword as a keepsake than using it as a weapon. Or routinely use Enlarge Person on your self.


Idle Champion wrote:

There's a weapon property called transformative, but that's 10,000 gp. It enables the weapon to change Size category and handedness to suit its wielder without changing overall size - e.g. Medium longsword/Small greatsword.

Given being level 4, having the GM set those requirements on the character, and being a Small character with a strength penalty, you'd be better off carrying the sword as a keepsake than using it as a weapon. Or routinely use Enlarge Person on your self.

I totally agree on the use of enlarge person, though iirc, need a 4th lvl of Sorcerer to access it, but very good call.

Grand Lodge

enlarge person is level 1. It takes a full round to cast. And it enlarges the long sword as well, sort of defeating the purpose of casting it.


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For 2500, this will make an appropriately sized longsword finesseable. I'm pretty sure there are ways to make your weapon smaller.

edit: fixed price


Enlarge person will enlarge the long sword, but not to its detriment - the strength gain will make two-handing the sword worthwhile, since you don't get bonus damage for two-handing below a strength of 14, and its damage dice will go up to 2d6, though it will still have the -2 attack roll penalty. And there is the comic value of an adult-sized preteen wielding a longsword the size of a claymore like Aragorn's Anduril.


All you can do is ask your GM to houserule away the stupid way attack stats work. Realistically any sword with the possible exception of a bidenhander/zweihander/montante/flamberge should use dex to attack rolls and the D&D greatsword is not that weapon. 3.5 represented those with an exotic called something like War Blade, meaning the D&D greatsword is the real world longsword, which is not a strength based weapon. Even with D&D's AC mechanics, strength to attack only makes sense for weapons intended to penetrate or transmit force through armor: picks, maces, hammers, and axes. And, ironically, bows since holding one steady at full draw long enough to aim properly at a single target takes strength.


Well, ask your GM whether you can earn the resizing weapon property via a sidequest. Or whether some friendly dwarf / gnome can add it, either a NPC or PC. Personally, I'd be fairly liberal about such solutions, given that it's not really a powerbuild...

EDIT: It could also be reshaped / shape itself to a rapier or something like that.


Given that longswords required strength to bypass armour, which is a big part of making that attack roll, that's not a great appeal to reality. That piercing thrust wasn't a quick jab, more of a drive with a lot of the wielder's weight and strength behind it.

By weapon description (Piercing/Slashing, two handed or one handed wielding) the in-game Bastard Sword is the weapon that most resembles the longsword. The greatsword (Slashing, two handed only) is variously the montante, the early zweihanders, and the claymore.

Atarlost wrote:
All you can do is ask your GM to houserule away the stupid way attack stats work

That, or the other workable options already raised.


Idle Champion wrote:

Given that longswords required strength to bypass armour, which is a big part of making that attack roll, that's not a great appeal to reality. That piercing thrust wasn't a quick jab, more of a drive with a lot of the wielder's weight and strength behind it.

By weapon description (Piercing/Slashing, two handed or one handed wielding) the in-game Bastard Sword is the weapon that most resembles the longsword. The greatsword (Slashing, two handed only) is variously the montante, the early zweihanders, and the claymore.

Atarlost wrote:
All you can do is ask your GM to houserule away the stupid way attack stats work
That, or the other workable options already raised.

Longswords require hitting where there isn't armor to bypass armor. They can sort of penetrate mail, but since they postdate plate armor hitting where someone is only protected by mail is an exercise in finesse.

And there have been no other options raised. No one except LazarX, who said the same thing as I with less detail, has proposed anything to address the OP.

RainbowMagicMarker wrote:
Does anyone know a way I could go about applying her dex bonus to a two handed weapon?

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