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I hope you guys don't mind I started a new thread, the other two major threads were getting rather cluttered and I really wanted to share this with fellow fans.
Absolutely awesome!
As if I wasn't already certain JJ would knock this movie out of the park, that footage clinches it!
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I wanted more CGI! More plot Holes! More inconsistencies from the original trilogy! More dialogue about how the characters hate sand!
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20152016is gonna be a good year for movie fans
And 2016 will start a month early my friend :)
But kidding aside I very much agree with you.
Between video games, a growing number of Fantasy Flight Star Wars lines, and something called Pathfinder Battles, my geek expenditure budget is getting serious.
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2016 is gonna be a good year for movie fans
No kidding. 2015 is a crazy year, and things are looking to continue is a similar vein in years to come. A lot of the potentially awesome movies this year turned out to be stinkers (Jurassic World and Terminator Genysis), some blew away all reasonable expectations (Mad Max), others were very solid (Avengers)... and we didn't even make it to Star Wars yet.
JW and TG were pretty decent, fun movies.Even if you enjoyed them, they pale in context of the franchises they continue. Jurassic Park is a better story if Jurassic World never happens.
my.
Such hate, lord snow.
Feels good, doesn't it?
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I don't see whyJW and TG were pretty decent, fun movies.Even if you enjoyed them, they pale in context of the franchises they continue. Jurassic Park is a better story if Jurassic World never happens.
Simply because part of the strength of a good story is that it has a clear beginning, middle and end. Especially simple stories like Jurassic Park. If you are going to do a sequel, and stir up those themes, characters (which don't appear in the new one but are referenced enough to have some sort of a presence) and even visual style - you should be adding something to the continuity. You should either advance some metaplot in an interesting way or have something new to say about those recurring themes.
Or, think about it this way - the more things happen in a character's life, the less significant each of them is. Each James Bond movie also makes the rest of them less special.
In the case of this franchise - every time the dinosaurs break out and start killing people, each of the other times becomes a bit less interesting. The First World War used to be The Great War, the one to end all others - until the second one happened. Now I think most people are barely aware of the history and circumstances of the first one.
It's how narratives work. And in fictional life we have control over these narratives. Jurassic World (just like the two previous sequels) mostly just serves to lassen the overall impact of the first movie.
Honestly, I wasn't all that impressed with Jurassic Park the first time around. It was certainly fun watching the dinosaurs stomp around, but much of the plot, backstory and characterization was very flat, from what little I remember now.
It was classic Spielberg, though, and those flat characters still displayed some genuine feelings. The plot was focused rather than bloated, and a combination of great music, amazing visuals and Spielberg's trademark sure hand at the helm all helped make it a good movie.
Intellectually interesting? no. Deep and profound? obviously not. Well enough made to have a serious impact on the culture at the time and ever since? Yep. Compared to that, the new one is just cheese.|
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Such hate, lord snow.
Feels good, doesn't it?
Your Hate has made you powerful ... Now, fulfill your destiny and return this thread to Star Wars The Force Awakens
Remember when this was about STAR WARS The Force Awakens?
Those were good times ....
Star Wars The Force Awakens?
What's that?
You mean this thread was about something like Star Wars previously?
[just joking]
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As of the Battle of Endor, Luke Skywalker had
Lightsaber 8D +1
Starfighter Piloting X Wing 9D+2
Starfighter Gunnery 7D +1
Force Skills
Control 10D
Sense 8D
Alter 7D
In comparison Yoda at the time of The Empire Strikes Back
Force Skills
Control 14D+
Sense 13D+
Alter 10D+
No taint from the Dark Side
I would assume Luke at the time of The Force Awakens may be in some ways nearing that level but not anywhere near surpassing Yoda's capabilities.
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Well to be fair, with Control 14D and Alter 10D Yoda could pull a TIE fighter from orbit if he wanted to. Or, using all three, and if he did not mind gaining a Dark Side point, mentally take command of the Captain on a bridge of Star Destroyer with a good chance his crew would not be aware of the take over.
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I am assuming you are going by this article from yesterday.
Very little has been said, Ren being the surname taken by the knights of this order, is almost akin to shorthand to evoke "Renaissance" or it could just be a Star Wars made up name.
This is a way to steer clear of The Rule of Two.
Yoda is, perhaps. I don't think anyone else can.
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That's....actually remarkably powerful. I saw this stuff in the force unleashed video game but I'd never thought Yoda or any of the movies' force users were ACTUALLY that capable.
Well, again to be fair, I said TIE fighter, not entire TIE Wing, or singular Star Destroyer Captain, not the entire bridge crew. Keep in mind Yoda can spend a Force Point and all his dice DOUBLE. AT 28D6 he will still hit a 50 target number. I can work out the math on another thread if you like.
Full disclosure
The guy who made it cannon that there are 72 TIEs carried in an Imperial Star Destroyer? That was me. The guy who defined what a Grand Moff was. Ditto.
The name "Magic: The Gathering," well that was Vic Wertz, but he is a Star Wars fanboy.
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You know, everyone holds up Yoda to be so super powerful.
Yet the Emperor kicked his ass so badly that Yoda fled to the far side of the galaxy and hid in a swamp for the next couple of decades before dying of old age.
Powerful? Yeah. But completely overrated. The only Star Wars character more overrated than Yoda is Boba Fett, who gets ridiculous amounts of fanwanking despite the fact that his most glorious achievement is falling into a giant sand vagina.
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Back to The Force Awakens.
British Member of Parliament may have let this gundark slip out of the bag.
Then again it could be one colonial Empire just spreading misinformation in accordance to their alliance to The Empire.
TIL The British Empire gives THE EMPIRE tax incentives.
You know, everyone holds up Yoda to be so super powerful.
Yet the Emperor kicked his ass so badly that Yoda fled to the far side of the galaxy and hid in a swamp for the next couple of decades before dying of old age.
Powerful? Yeah. But completely overrated. The only Star Wars character more overrated than Yoda is Boba Fett, who gets ridiculous amounts of fanwanking despite the fact that his most glorious achievement is falling into a giant sand vagina.
1. Yoda ain't Mace windu. 2. The emperor has, to my knowledge (which ain't complete), maxed out about three force abilities that were devestating in personal combat, abilities Yoda has but did not max out. A hand to hand combat with the emperor would(and did) go poorly. It doesn't mean Yoda is helpless against him, just that he'd lose a hand to hand fight. There is always someone better, and Yoda never claimed to be the best.
I know its not cannon but didn't Jorus Choabath or whatever his name was take control of a star destroyer crew. And wasn't that the reason Thrawn had yasmiri all over his bridge?
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I really am trying not to derail this thread.
Important facts to remember about the instance when Joruus C'baoth took control of the bridge crew.
1. Grand Admiral Thrawn's bridge crew were among the best available to The Empire had at the time of the events of Heir to The Empire. Because of this some of the crew on the bridge were handpicked to be the main templates for the many clones The Empire had to produced.
There were only some 24 or so templates used to mass produce clones for pilots, crew, soldiers and Stormtroopers.
Joruus C'boath while using his Force ability of battle coordination, to make Thrawn's forces more effective, became very familiar with these clones, and it was made easier because despite hundreds of clones active there were only around 24 "template minds" he had to master control over.
He was readily familiar with many of the bridge crew when he took over their mental faculties as they were among the templates he had been over seeing in training and actual combat.
2. Joruus C'boath mental intrusion to take control was very invasive and the drain over the crew was such that Grand Admiral Thrawn had to relive the majority and pull a fresh crew from another Star Destroyer when Joruus C'boath released them from his mental control.
Further, Joruus C'boath could not control them in this manner and still make them a fighting force, he just basically held or paralyzed them into freezing in place for a few minutes. And doing so STRAINED him. Greatly.
And even if he somehow was able to control the crew to do his bidding, he would have no idea how to maximize and effectively use a Star Destroyer in combat. He would still have to release the minds for them to enter a combat situation.
Fun fact
West End Games made sure his Force Powers did not exceed Yoda or Emperor Palpatine
Joruus C'baoth Force Skills
Control 14D
Sense 12D
Alter 12D
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It's been said officially a number of times that the expanded universe books are not canon, so material from Heir to the Empire is not relevant to the movies. I know some folks wish this were not so, but it is.
Of course, instead of getting back to talking about The Force Awakens, the actual movie that's coming out, the thread will now probably devolve into a debate for and against the merits of the expanded universe books ...
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It's been said officially a number of times that the expanded universe books are not canon, so material from Heir to the Empire is not relevant to the movies.
To be fair (ok I need a new phrase), the wording was such that the Expanded Universe could be considered relevant material UNTIL new canon over ruled or contradicted it.
And let's not forget the name Coruscant, the idea of a Jedi council and a central Jedi Library were all terms given birth from Heir to the Empire that Lucas later co opted as his own for The Phantom Menace.
Now back on topic.
New D23 promotional poster. Boyega wielding a lightsaber!
It’s also worth discussing the other films planned for release between now and 2019.
Disney re-affirmed that Episode VIII will be directed by Rian Johnson and that Han Solo will be directed by Phil Lord & Chris Miller. They also revealed that the official director for Episode IX will be Colin Trevorrow, who directed Jurassic World. As for information about Episode VII: The Force Awakens, J. J. Abrams confirmed that the estimated running time of the film will be 124-125 minutes, very close to the running time of A New Hope.
Star Wars Action Figures and LEGO sets coming in December. Your wallet awakens!