Rogar Stonebow |
I want to be a spell caster that uses silent and still spell for all of my spells. I want to make the best use of Wayang spell hunter trait, and magical lineage trait. Would it best to use them both on shadow conjuration, or to use one on Shadow Conjuration, and the other on Shadow Conjuration Greater?
LazarX |
I've had it up to here with deaf mutes. After seeing them repeatedly abused in the name of special snowflakeness, and the burdens they've put on party members, they are one of the few things I have a non-negotiable ban on. And that's with those with hands for sign langage!
How the hell are you communicating with your party for those first few levels?
bookrat |
You can pull off gesticulations with no hands. Just wave your arms (and legs!) about wildly. Hasn't anyone ever heard of body language? Sheesh.
To the OP, if you're deaf, blind, mute, and hand-less, see if you can pick up telepathy somehow. Depending on your starting level, there are several ways. The most immediate is getting yourself a familiar (via eldritch heritage --> arcane) and pick up a familiar with a language (parrot, raven, thrush, and some others can speak a language). At the very least, it can communicate your emotions via the empathic link. By level 5 you can pick up Improved Familiar and grab a Sin Seeker, which has telepathy and common as its languages - this allows you to communicate everything through your familiar.
Another trick which is pure GM dependent and requires a house rule is to convert the Cleric archetype fiendish vessel (for tieflings only) into a celestial vessel. Go NG, and the familiar you end up with is a pseudodragon, which has telepathy as a language. You get it at level 3. Or stay with NE or CE and either of those familiars have telepathy. But then you have to be evil.
bookrat |
he is going to cast spells such as gaseous form and shadow projection and things of that nature to compensate. starting at 8th level... 1 level Oracle, 7 levels witch. going to use hexes ALOT!
Starting at level 8? Perfect! Pick up Improved Familiar and grab any one of them with telepathy and another language, and you can fully communicate with your party while also being deaf, blind, mute, and handless.
Rynjin |
he is going to cast spells such as gaseous form and shadow projection and things of that nature to compensate. starting at 8th level... 1 level Oracle, 7 levels witch. going to use hexes ALOT!
Neat.
Whatcha gonna do for levels 1-7?
And I'm sure your party will appreciate not only having to deal with you being largely unable to communicate and have gimped casting, but you moving at 10 feet per round as well.
Rogar Stonebow |
Rogar Stonebow wrote:he is going to cast spells such as gaseous form and shadow projection and things of that nature to compensate. starting at 8th level... 1 level Oracle, 7 levels witch. going to use hexes ALOT!Neat.
Whatcha gonna do for levels 1-7?
And I'm sure your party will appreciate not only having to deal with you being largely unable to communicate and have gimped casting, but you moving at 10 feet per round as well.
my feats are silent, still, eschew materials, improved familiar and spirit talker. False focus will be taken soon.
I have the traits Wayang spell hunter and magical lineage tied to shadow conjuration and greater shadow conjuration respectively. This will give me access to tons of creation and summoning spells as a standard action with 0 level increase to them with out the need of VSM components. I also have the spell silence for use.. to help shut down opponent spell casters.
my familiar is a inevitable, arbiter.
This should allow me to be somewhat useful. As far as I know, my movement will be 30 ft.
Rogar Stonebow |
Gaseous Form isn't a spell I will use all the time. in combat it will be enough, as will shadow projection when the mood suits. 2 levels from this point, Possess Object will come available. I will have ways of eliminating the problem of reduced spell casting, plus my hexes will be available most of the time.
bookrat |
How are you going to communicate to your party? The Inevitable's truespeech won't work, because you can't communicate with it (you only have an empathic link, not a telepathic link).
If you give your familiar the infiltrator archetype, you gain telepathy at level 9, or you can get a helm of telepathy or make telepathic link (level 5 spell) permanent.
LazarX |
Just to be clear on this. You may be doing this because you think you've created a truly original character concept.
Spoiler: You're not. we get posts like this every once in awhile and I've seen characters less handicapped than what you're proposing at convention tables and they are almost universally hated for the liabilities they are as adventuring companions and the snowflake cry for extra attention they represent.
In short.. don't be that kind of player by making a character like this... unless it's a solo campaign between you and a compliant GM.
Rogar Stonebow |
The concept was offered by another player, saying it can't be done viably.
I am not mute, I can still talk. only hard of hearing. I have an intelligence of 26, And linguistics of +19. Lip Reading is a thing. plus comprehend languages as a spell. In two levels I will probably make use of Majic Jar, Then I can sign and remove a creature from combat.
Rogar Stonebow |
I appreciate the warning, LazarX. However, snow flake character will not be a problem to the other players. Movement won't be a problem due to spells, communication won't be a problem due to skills and spells, combat won't be a problem, due to hexes and spells. I'll take a hit in diplomacy and the like sure.. But we have a white kobold with a winter wolf running around in our group... it is what it is.
bookrat |
Just to be clear on this. You may be doing this because you think you've created a truly original character concept.
Spoiler: You're not. we get posts like this every once in awhile and I've seen characters less handicapped than what you're proposing at convention tables and they are almost universally hated for the liabilities they are as adventuring companions and the snowflake cry for extra attention they represent.
In short.. don't be that kind of player by making a character like this... unless it's a solo campaign between you and a compliant GM.
How come you never actually try to help people create the character they want to play? You're always trying to tell people "no" while also managing to be insulting half the time - like you are here by calling Rogar a special snowflake for wanting to play a new-to-him character in a game that's all about creating characters.
Seriously, try to help someone once in a while.
bookrat |
bookrat wrote:You can pull off gesticulations with no hands. Just wave your arms (and legs!) about wildly. Hasn't anyone ever heard of body language? Sheesh.Oh, I thought he said no arms. Just lacking hands isn't so bad.
Well, only if you can build your own hands. :)
LazarX |
Perhaps have the character take full ranks in Preform(dance) and have the character speak to the party via interpretive dance?
And they would understand him how? Interpretative dance isn't exactly a grammatical language.