Crossblooded's benefits seem to be seperated into different advantages that each alter or replace different class features.
Crossblooded spells changes the list of spells that the sorcerer has access to at the appropriate levels.
Crossblooded feats changes the list of feats that the sorcerer has access to at the appropriate levels.
Crossblooded powers changes the list of powers that the sorcerer has access to at the appropriate levels.
Crossblooded alters the bloodline arcana subfeature by granting an additional arcana.
So why shouldn't crossblooded also count as altering the class skills? It's an archetype benefit that is adding to the skills list.
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Everything you listed is a subfeature of the Bloodline class feature.
Bloodline Bonus Spells.
Bloodline Bonus Feats.
Bloodline Powers.
Bloodline Arcana.
Bloodline Class Skills.
A crossblooded sorcerer receives the bonus class skill from both of her bloodlines
The skills are a direct result of the Bloodline Class Feature and are a subfeature of that Class Feature.
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Does this FAQ now make, previously established archetype combos, no longer available?
Would previously legal PFS builds, be now, illegal?
Legal via a grey area. Do you have an example?
Does Seeker and Wildblooded no longer stack?
Depends on which bloodline, some clash with Seeker (3rd level bloodline power)
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Does this FAQ now make, previously established archetype combos, no longer available?
Would previously legal PFS builds, be now, illegal?
Legal via a grey area. Do you have an example?
Does Seeker and Wildblooded no longer stack?Depends on which bloodline, some clash with Seeker (3rd level bloodline power)
Empyreal.
The bloodline arcana makes the empyreal and sage wildblooded bloodlines a big gray area. What does changing the ability score associated with all class features conflict with?
Another good question for Mr. Seifter, I think. ^_^
Hmm, it's the text of the arcana that does that, rather than the archetype's swap, so it would seem OK to me at a glance. Similarly to how if a monk archetype replaced purity of body with a bonus feat, and you used the bonus feat to pick Extra Ki, despite the text of Extra Ki giving you more ki, it shouldn't interfere with ki pool. This is purely my own personal speculation, not an official ruling of any kind.
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I feel your pain, blackbloodtroll.
I have a lv 12 seeker character that gets affected by so many faqs since I retired her that I doubt she is in any way legal now.
Btw, does this means that if an archetype changes class skills and the player wishes to retrain into another archetype, that player would also have to pay to retrain the class skills, as they are also considered a class feature? (As per the retrain rules.)
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Hmm, it's the text of the arcana that does that, rather than the archetype's swap, so it would seem OK to me at a glance. Similarly to how if a monk archetype replaced purity of body with a bonus feat, and you used the bonus feat to pick Extra Ki, despite the text of Extra Ki giving you more ki, it shouldn't interfere with ki pool. This is purely my own personal speculation, not an official ruling of any kind.The bloodline arcana makes the empyreal and sage wildblooded bloodlines a big gray area. What does changing the ability score associated with all class features conflict with?
Another good question for Mr. Seifter, I think. ^_^
Sorry, but does the new FAQ treats class skills as a class feature?
Does this means that Sage and Empyreal wildblooded sorcerers use Int and Wis for all their Class Skills now?
"You use your Wisdom, rather than your Charisma, to determine all class features and effects relating to your sorcerer class"
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Hmm, it's the text of the arcana that does that, rather than the archetype's swap, so it would seem OK to me at a glance. Similarly to how if a monk archetype replaced purity of body with a bonus feat, and you used the bonus feat to pick Extra Ki, despite the text of Extra Ki giving you more ki, it shouldn't interfere with ki pool. This is purely my own personal speculation, not an official ruling of any kind.The bloodline arcana makes the empyreal and sage wildblooded bloodlines a big gray area. What does changing the ability score associated with all class features conflict with?
Another good question for Mr. Seifter, I think. ^_^
Sorry, but does the new FAQ treats class skills as a class feature?
Does this means that Sage and Empyreal wildblooded sorcerers use Int and Wis for all their Class Skills now?
"You use your Wisdom, rather than your Charisma, to determine all class features and effects relating to your sorcerer class"
The actual text of a skill itself is not a class feature under any circumstances, even if the list of what skills are considered class skills is so considered by archetypes when it comes to altering and replacing (because archetypes make changes to all sorts of things, and they call them all "alternate class features").
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The actual text of a skill itself is not a class feature under any circumstances, even if the list of what skills are considered class skills is so considered by archetypes when it comes to altering and replacing (because archetypes make changes to all sorts of things, and they call them all "alternate class features").Hmm, it's the text of the arcana that does that, rather than the archetype's swap, so it would seem OK to me at a glance. Similarly to how if a monk archetype replaced purity of body with a bonus feat, and you used the bonus feat to pick Extra Ki, despite the text of Extra Ki giving you more ki, it shouldn't interfere with ki pool. This is purely my own personal speculation, not an official ruling of any kind.The bloodline arcana makes the empyreal and sage wildblooded bloodlines a big gray area. What does changing the ability score associated with all class features conflict with?
Another good question for Mr. Seifter, I think. ^_^
Sorry, but does the new FAQ treats class skills as a class feature?
Does this means that Sage and Empyreal wildblooded sorcerers use Int and Wis for all their Class Skills now?
"You use your Wisdom, rather than your Charisma, to determine all class features and effects relating to your sorcerer class"
Thanks for the clarification!
Knowing some players may think otherwise, could this clarification be stated in the FAQ as well? To prevent confusion?
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1) Divine Tracker, Trapper, Wild Hunter Ranger.
Divine Tracker
AlignmentThis ability replaces wild empathy.
This ability replaces hunter's bond.
Wild Hunter
This ability replaces all instances of the favored enemy class ability.
This ability replaces woodland stride and swift tracker.
Trapper
A trapper adds Disable Device to her list of class skills
This ability replaces the ranger’s spells class feature.
I don't see a conflict, do you?
2) Invulnerable Rager, Primal Hunter Barbarian.
Primal Hunter
This ability replaces fast movement.This ability alters rage.
Rage Powers: The following rage powers complement
Invulnerable Rager
This ability replaces uncanny dodge, improved uncanny dodge, and damage reduction.
This ability replaces trap sense.
Rage Powers: The following rage powers complement
These never stacked, because they both added rage powers. They don't stack now because one modifies rage and the other adds rage powers to your list.
3) Breaker, Numerian Liberator Barbarian.
This combo has the same problem. They add rage powers, adding options. Which alters the list of rage powers and does not stack previously.
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That rage power section doesn't add anything to your list. It's just a bunch of suggestions of ones to take.
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Are Hexcrafter and Kapenia Dancer no longer compatible?
Hexcrafter
This feature replaces spell recall.A hexcrafter magus adds the following spells to his magus spell list
Kapenia Dancer
Weapon and Armor Proficiency
Diminished Spellcasting
A bladed scarf dancer gains access to the following magus arcana.
They may not have stacked due to one adding spells to your class spell list and the other modifying the number of spells per day you gain. They don't stack now due to both modifying spells.
That rage power section doesn't add anything to your list. It's just a bunch of suggestions of ones to take.Gotcha. Complement. So all of those are available to all Barbarians?
Yup, just like the suggested talents for rogue archetypes and suggested discoveries for alchemists.
Actually the only example I could find for that combo (previous to the new one currenctly active) the people in the thread immediately realized they didn't stack.
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rt39?Kapenia-Hexcrafter-Magus
Good link-fu Ragoz.
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The thing is, archetypes, in the summaries that refer to class features, define what archetypes are allowed to give as "alternate class features." So if one succeeds at defining class skills as not class features for archetypes, then archetypes can't alter them at all.
To clarify, what I thought might stack was things that purely add options (for the record, it was bonus feat options, not skills anyways). No one on the design team ever thought that class skills don't count as "class features" as defined by archetypes as "the thing that archetypes can alter or replace." Trust me, it's not good terminology given that class features section of a class doesn't cover everything archetypes do (though I still dislike having "racial traits" and "race traits" even more X_X).