Quick check through Additional Resourses didn't bring up anything that would prevent you starting as Mysterious Stranger with Musket or Blunderbuss.
Gunsmith gives you option to start with either a Blunderbuss, Musket or Pistol and Mysterious Stranger (Archtype) doesn't change that at all.
Edit: always remember to read eveything in books before posting. Edited text after reading Gunsmith description in Gunslinger section
Does Mysterious Stranger stack with Musket Master?
I know the Blunderbuss is a cone.
I had hoped to go Mysterious Stranger, without going with a pistol.
I took a look and the archetypes stack. Both replace/alter different items.
STR: 8
DEX: 17 (Human +2)
CON: 12
INT: 10
WIS: 10
CHA: 17
20pt Buy, Human
Point in CHA at 4th, Point in Dex at 8th?
Both MS and MM replace/change guntraining 1. Sorry:(
Both MS and MM replace/change guntraining 1. Sorry:(
aggggh you're right, I missed Stranger's Fortune on Mysterious Stranger.
Vital Strike is specifically called out with Scatter weapons:
A weapon with the scatter weapon quality can shoot two different types of ammunition. It can fire normal bullets that target one creature, or it can make a scattering shot, attacking all creatures within a cone. Cannons with the scatter weapon quality only fire grapeshot, unless their descriptions state otherwise. When a scatter weapon attacks all creatures within a cone, it makes a separate attack roll against each creature within the cone. Each attack roll takes a –2 penalty, and its attack damage cannot be modified by precision damage or damage-increasing feats such as Vital Strike. Effects that grant concealment, such as fog or smoke, or the blur, invisibility, or mirror image spells, do not foil a scatter attack. If any of the attack rolls threaten a critical, confirm the critical for that attack roll alone. A firearm that makes a scatter shot misfires only if all of the attack rolls made misfire. If a scatter weapon explodes on a misfire, it deals triple its damage to all creatures within the misfire radius.
Beneficial Bandolier isn't legal for PFS.
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man, we are all just a bunch of debbie downers
maybe we should just cut to the chase
YOUR DREAMS ARE IMPOSSIBLE BBT AND WE ARE HERE TO MURDER THEM
YOU AM BARBARIAN, NO NEED FOR TINY LEAD ARROWS
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Things that do work to boost blunderbuss scatter damage:
Ranger favored enemy
Slayer studied target
Bard song
Paladin smite evil
Investigator studied combat (though not studied strike)
Fighter weapon training
So maybe ,multicast into something. Heck you could take a level of mindchemiat for a cognatogen boost to cha even.
Unfortunately it says can't be modified by damage increasing feats, so that even make weapon specialization not work, which is kinda lame.
Investigator studied combat is also precision damage, so it doesn't work
Wait, if I use alchemical cartridges, can I not bring reload down to a Move Action?
If you also had Rapid Reload(Blunderbuss), yes, a blunderbuss would go down from a Full Action to a Standard Action with Rapid Reload, and then down to a Move Action with Alchemical Cartridges. Alternatively a level 3 Musket Master with RR(Blunderbuss), and Alchemical Cartridges could reload as a free action.
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Investigator studied combat is also precision damage, so it doesn't work
yeah the to hit bonus works, but the damage doesn't.
I was thinking of arcane strike too, but even that would probably fall under the no damage increasing feats clause =P.Magus arcane pool to boost the enhancement would work.
warpriest sacred weapon would also work to boost the enhancement and eventually the damage dice.
Energy enhancements to the weapon could be a good investment. A shocking blunderbuss would do an extra 1d6 to each target hit.
ooh, inquisitor bane, that could be a good use for a blunderbuss
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PFS, more or less, caps out at 11th.
I don't need to worry about anything beyond that.
I understand, that Musket Master does two-handed firearms the best, but I was hoping to be charisma based.
The Mysterious Stranger's ability to add Charisma to Attack Rolls, and Damage, is what draws me in.
This is why I am seeing if I can do it, full Mysterious Stranger, or if I would need to go into something like Archeologist, or Spellscar Drifter.
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You hit everything at touch AC. By the time you get to even mid levels, you'll be hitting everything unless you misfire, at high damage.
Your BAB will increase as you level, and their touch AC never really goes any higher. I think the highest I've ever seen was 14 or 15.
I actually want to retrain Precise Shot on my gunslinger because it's a waste!
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Yeah.
I considered the Sleuth, not because it is a great archetype, but it doubles my Grit. Doesn't do much more than that.
The reason I keep mentioning the Spellscar Drifter, is that it has some synergy, and with the Order of the Land, I could get not only a bonus to ranged, but could use Catch-off Guard to hit people with the Blunderbuss.
It's just a thought though.
I suppose Divine Hunter Paladin is an option. Not so keen on the Paladin part.
You know, taking a closer look, the Dragon Pistol, would still have a similar enough look and feel, to what I am looking for.
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So, I noticed Mysterious Stranger loses Quick Clear. I suppose I could take a short dip into Spellscar Drifter, or Picaroon for it.
With this in mind, I have a very, very rough first draft build:
Human gunslinger (mysterious stranger) 1
NG Medium humanoid (human)
Init +3; Senses Perception +5
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Defense
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AC 15, touch 13, flat-footed 12 (+2 armor, +3 Dex)
hp 12 (1d10+2)
Fort +3, Ref +5, Will +1
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Offense
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Speed 30 ft.
Melee spiked gauntlet +0 (1d4-1)
Ranged blunderbuss +4 (1d8)
Special Attacks deeds (deadeye, focused aim, gunslinger's dodge), grit (3)
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Statistics
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Str 9, Dex 16, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 12, Cha 17
Base Atk +1; CMB +0; CMD 13
Feats Gunsmithing[UC], Point-blank Shot, Precise Shot
Traits fate's favored, illuminator
Skills Craft: Gunsmithing +4, Diplomacy +9, Perception +5, Profession: Farmer +5, Ride +7
Languages Common
SQ gunsmith
Other Gear lamellar cuirass, black powder, blunderbuss with 1 pellets, spiked gauntlet, gunsmith's kit, masterwork backpack, powder horn, 52 gp, 7 sp
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Special Abilities
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Fate's Favored Increase luck bonuses by 1.
Grit (Ex) Gain a pool of points that are spent to fuel deeds, regained on firearm crit/killing blow.
Gunsmithing You can use a gunsmithing kit to craft/repair firearms and ammo.
Illuminator You speak unusually well when you are filled with the light of Sarenrae. You gain a +2 trait bonus on Diplomacy checks, and Diplomacy is always a class skill for you.
Point-Blank Shot +1 to attack and damage rolls with ranged weapons at up to 30 feet.
Precise Shot You don't get -4 to hit when shooting or throwing into melee.
I can suffer through, until I can afford a Dragon Pistol.
Thoughts?
He Will get cha to damage from level 1 wont he?
And by level 5 you Can ignore misfires.
The plan is to be doing close range AoE damage yes?
PFS, more or less, caps out at 11th.
I don't need to worry about anything beyond that.
I understand, that Musket Master does two-handed firearms the best, but I was hoping to be charisma based.
The Mysterious Stranger's ability to add Charisma to Attack Rolls, and Damage, is what draws me in.
This is why I am seeing if I can do it, full Mysterious Stranger, or if I would need to go into something like Archeologist, or Spellscar Drifter.
Ey BBT perhaps MStranger dip with the resŧ in Soundstriker with a Conductive weapon could be your thing.
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Charisma Mod to Hit, and Damage, for one Grit point, yes.
Close range, yes.
The level 5 ability, is to ignore a number of misfires, equal to my Charisma Mod.
Losing Quick Clear, is why I thought of a dip into Picaroon, or Spellscar Drifter, to pick it up, then continue in Mysterious Stranger.
The delay to Dex to damage, is minimal, as the archetype starts with a Cha to damage effect.
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Ey BBT perhaps MStranger dip with the resŧ in Soundstriker with a Conductive weapon could be your thing.PFS, more or less, caps out at 11th.
I don't need to worry about anything beyond that.
I understand, that Musket Master does two-handed firearms the best, but I was hoping to be charisma based.
The Mysterious Stranger's ability to add Charisma to Attack Rolls, and Damage, is what draws me in.
This is why I am seeing if I can do it, full Mysterious Stranger, or if I would need to go into something like Archeologist, or Spellscar Drifter.
Would Conductive work with a Scatter weapon?
I am not sure how that class combo would work.
I dont see a clause against it, and Weird Words is an AoE on a 30 foot radius..scatter is 15 or so depeing on weapon, so they are quite similar. You can put Conductive on a bow and use Weird Words since both are ranged attacks.
Gun damage + Charisma (mstranger) + Weird Words damage + Charisma.
What type of damage is Weird Words?
I am really considering the dip into Picaroon.
I would not only grab Quick Clear, but double my Grit pool.
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q7yp&page=2?Sound-Striker-Wierd-Words-Abil ity-questions#66
So you chose damage type (b,p,s). It's a Standard action, ranged (touch, not that it matters for conductive), Su (key), therefore applicable by using 2 charges. If only hexes werent changed from requiring an attsck roll..tsk.
Picaroon is a good candidate for Opening Volley feat and similar, perhaps beyond the scope of your concept though.
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Bonus Points if you use an Unseen Servant to reload for you to save you the Rapid Reload feat for a few levels.
I dont see how this Can work.
I dont see how this Can work....
Bonus Points if you use an Unseen Servant to reload for you to save you the Rapid Reload feat for a few levels.
I can almost wrap my head around the idea of using Unseen Servant as an ass backwards Reloading Hands. Basically just holding the gun off to the side after shooting from it and letting the Unseen Servant reload it between your turns. Impracticable as all hell considering how fragile servants are, but if the enemies don't catch on to the scam it could work for the first few levels before you get more than one attack.
I can almost wrap my head around the idea of using Unseen Servant as an ass backwards Reloading Hands. Basically just holding the gun off to the side after shooting from it and letting the Unseen Servant reload it between your turns. Impracticable as all hell considering how fragile servants are, but if the enemies don't catch on to the scam it could work for the first few levels before you get more than one attack.I dont see how this Can work....
Bonus Points if you use an Unseen Servant to reload for you to save you the Rapid Reload feat for a few levels.
there is no "between your turns" and reloading a gun is not a simple task any Way so the US cannot do it. There is a level 2 spell that work 1/round pr level that Can do it.
there is no "between your turns" and reloading a gun is not a simple task any Way so the US cannot do it. There is a level 2 spell that work 1/round pr level that Can do it.
"It can run and fetch things, open unstuck doors, and hold chairs, as well as clean and mend"
Compared to that list of examples, I'd argue that putting an alchemical cartridge in a hole and ramming it down would be simple enough for a US to do. The level 2 spell would be the Reloading Hands spell that I mentioned before. Admittedly I'm just arguing this for the sake of Devil's Advocate. Using US as a caddy is just too cheesy and impractical for me to consider using. Though I did use a Weapon Bearer Squire for my gunslinger's caddy in a oneshot >.<