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Jim Butcher was right, being cryptic is like cocaine for writers! Someone get some straight-talking to Mr.Stephens before it's too late!Neither yes nor no is a fully accurate answer to your first question. "By order" is the answer to your second question.Are we going to get more than one Hellknight archetype in this? Will they be differentiated by combat role or order?Hmmm, *taps chin*
Are we going to get a Hellknight archetype in this?
Neither "yes" nor "no" is a fully accurate answer to that question.
Seems straightforward to me.
You'll get a flexible archetype which reflects different Hellknight orders.
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Will sports be covered at all? With or without attached game mechanics.
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This is the concern about Starfinder which worries me the most.
It'll certainly be odd when an Undead PC gets the flu.
Neither yes nor no is a fully accurate answer to your first question. "By order" is the answer to your second question.Are we going to get more than one Hellknight archetype in this? Will they be differentiated by combat role or order?Hmmm, *taps chin*
Are we going to get a Hellknight archetype in this?
Neither "yes" nor "no" is a fully accurate answer to that question.
Oh hell you spoiled it Owen! He's implying that when they discuss the Hellknights, each of the different Hellknight Orders will get the rough equivilent of a specialized archetype or theme. So Order of the Chain catches criminals so picture a "Judge Dredd" Soldier Bounty Hunter theme. Order of the Gate (if it's still around) probably keeps the various Planar beings from invading known space, expect a demon hunter/genie killer theme. The Order of the Nail hunt down wild, bad xenos, expect a colonial space marine type of theme. The Order of the Scourge probably are the Hellknight equivalent of a KGB, etcera and so forth.
Hey so these archetypes: the Star Knight, Skyfire Centurion, and Divine Champion, they all have a very "Knights of Golarion" ring to them.
It's almost as if these are archetypes designed to specifically flavor that order! The Star Knight is the rank and file military man, the Centurion is focused to a leadership role, and the Divine champion is what happens when you give a fanatic Iomedae worshiping Solarion or a Soldier the Priest or Icon Theme: they wear gold armor and start calling themselves Divine Champion of the Inheritor.
Praise the Inheritor! Burn the Xenos and the Hellknight! All hail the God Empress of Humanity!
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Neither yes nor no is a fully accurate answer to your first question. "By order" is the answer to your second question.Are we going to get more than one Hellknight archetype in this? Will they be differentiated by combat role or order?Hmmm, *taps chin*
Are we going to get a Hellknight archetype in this?
Neither "yes" nor "no" is a fully accurate answer to that question.
I'd put money down that it's one or more options of the Star Knight.
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I'd put money down that it's one or more options of the Star Knight.Neither yes nor no is a fully accurate answer to your first question. "By order" is the answer to your second question.Are we going to get more than one Hellknight archetype in this? Will they be differentiated by combat role or order?Hmmm, *taps chin*
Are we going to get a Hellknight archetype in this?
Neither "yes" nor "no" is a fully accurate answer to that question.
That'd be a safe bet. Star knight also covers Knights of Golarion, with a set of options for any star knight, and your Hellknight or KoG order giving you specific options members of other orders can't take.
If Hell Knight stuff is tied to Star Knight, doesn't that mean if you join the hell knights after 1st level (because it's unlikely for you to be a mighty warrior who can take down devils at level 1) you need to multiclass so you can take the archetype?
If Hell Knight stuff is tied to Star Knight, doesn't that mean if you join the hell knights after 1st level (because it's unlikely for you to be a mighty warrior who can take down devils at level 1) you need to multiclass so you can take the archetype?
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If Hell Knight stuff is tied to Star Knight, doesn't that mean if you join the hell knights after 1st level (because it's unlikely for you to be a mighty warrior who can take down devils at level 1) you need to multiclass so you can take the archetype?
You don't have to be a star knight to be a Hellknight.
You don't have to be a Hellknight to be a star knight.
There are "denizens of hell" with very low CRs, so there's no pressing reason why a 1st level character can't be a Hellknight. Just as in pathfinder being a wizard takes extensive study... which you can have accomplished by 1st level.
If Hell Knight stuff is tied to Star Knight, doesn't that mean if you join the hell knights after 1st level (because it's unlikely for you to be a mighty warrior who can take down devils at level 1) you need to multiclass so you can take the archetype?You don't have to be a star knight to be a Hellknight.
You don't have to be a Hellknight to be a star knight.
There are "denizens of hell" with very low CRs, so there's no pressing reason why a 1st level character can't be a Hellknight. Just as in pathfinder being a wizard takes extensive study... which you can have accomplished by 1st level.
But what if you want Hellknight Mechanics to back up your Hellknight Flavor?
And for those who find out about them/join later? In Pathfinder this was covered by having Prestige Classes.
People can already play Eoxians. Just write "Eox" on the Home Planet section of your character sheet.
Alternatively, just wait until your character is killed by your own misfire while trying to commit genocide on the enemy :D
You don't have to be a star knight to be a Hellknight.
But you do have to be a star knight to use the neat Hellknight mechanics. I mean, yeah, you can make character who is a priest with any class, but if you want to gain actual magical power from the worship your deity you're going to need to be a mystic or an arcane assailant or something.
There are "denizens of hell" with very low CRs, so there's no pressing reason why a 1st level character can't be a Hellknight.
That makes being a Hellknight far less impressive if you just killed an imp or something.
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But what if you want Hellknight Mechanics to back up your Hellknight Flavor?
And for those who find out about them/join later? In Pathfinder this was covered by having Prestige Classes.
I don't get how this is any different from Pathfinder. If you really want your character to be your typical Hellknight, then be a Star Knight with the Hellknight option. If you are something else and decide to become a Hellknight, multiclass.
...or you could just play whatever you want, describe your armor as spikey and black, and tell everyone you're a hellknight operative (or whatever.)
But what if you want Hellknight Mechanics to back up your Hellknight Flavor?
And for those who find out about them/join later? In Pathfinder this was covered by having Prestige Classes.
I don't get how this is any different from Pathfinder. If you really want your character to be your typical Hellknight, then be a Star Knight with the Hellknight option. If you are something else and decide to become a Hellknight, multiclass.
...or you could just play whatever you want, describe your armor as spikey and black, and tell everyone you're a hellknight operative (or whatever.)
In Pathfinder you built towards a Prestige Class, which is a bit different than multiclassing, since the abilities granted by the PC took some bite out of the progression hit, whereas multiclassing usually didn't except for certain dips.
In Starfinder if you later want to join the Hellknights yes you're perfectly fine flavoring your character as a Hellknight without Hellknight mechanics, just as you could in Pathfinder. But for those who want Hellknight flavor AND mechanics, they're being told nope, you're too late. You still want Hellknight mechanics? Stop what you are doing and take another class and advance it to get those mechanics. Moreso in Starfinder multiclassing hurts more.
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In Pathfinder you built towards a Prestige Class, which is a bit different than multiclassing, since the abilities granted by the PC took some bite out of the progression hit, whereas multiclassing usually didn't except for certain dips.
In Starfinder if you later want to join the Hellknights yes you're perfectly fine flavoring your character as a Hellknight without Hellknight mechanics, just as you could in Pathfinder. But for those who want Hellknight flavor AND mechanics, they're being told nope, you're too late. You still want Hellknight mechanics? Stop what you are doing and take another class and advance it to get those mechanics. Moreso in Starfinder multiclassing hurts more.
Multi-classing is no more a hit to progression than Prestige classes were.
This STILL makes no sense to me. The Star Knight mechanics are the Hellknight mechanics. If you like the Hellknight mechanics, then you are already probably a Star Knight, and if you're not, then Multi-classing is still an option.
Prestige Classes helped, or at least gave the appearance of helping, the path you're character was on, rather than being a radical departure, so it depended on the classes you were mixing.
With Starfinder's few classes that's not as viable.
" If you like the Hellknight mechanics, then you are already probably a Star Knight"
That's the thing, your character might not be. You might not have had any interest in them or any knightly order before the GM put them in a campaign you were in. And then you thought they were awesome and wanted your character to join them, and have mechanics back up the flavor of being a part of them.
In Pathfinder with Prestige Classes you could build towards that if you found yourself liking Hellknights after the fact, in Starfinder if it's after the fact you'll find yourself with effectively 3 classes.
Your starting class.
The class you had to pick afterwards in order to trade out abilities in order to get Hellknight abilities.
Your selection of Hellknight abilities.
Basically a Soldier that starts out as a Hellknight can have Hellknight mechanics, but a Soldiers that finds out about Hellknights is completely barred from those mechanics unless they multiclass into another class.
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In Pathfinder you built towards a Prestige Class, which is a bit different than multiclassing, since the abilities granted by the PC took some bite out of the progression hit, whereas multiclassing usually didn't except for certain dips.
In Starfinder if you later want to join the Hellknights yes you're perfectly fine flavoring your character as a Hellknight without Hellknight mechanics, just as you could in Pathfinder. But for those who want Hellknight flavor AND mechanics, they're being told nope, you're too late. You still want Hellknight mechanics? Stop what you are doing and take another class and advance it to get those mechanics. Moreso in Starfinder multiclassing hurts more.
Multi-classing is no more a hit to progression than Prestige classes were.
This STILL makes no sense to me. The Star Knight mechanics are the Hellknight mechanics. If you like the Hellknight mechanics, then you are already probably a Star Knight, and if you're not, then Multi-classing is still an option.
A pathfinder prestige class is generally better balanced against class levels at the level you'd join it, usually 5th, than a 1st level class would be. Adding say 1st Fighter to a character at 5th level would make much less difference than adding a 1st level of Chevalier.
As Prestige classes aren't currently a thing in Starfinder, it becomes an issue when you multiclass at later levels.
Edit: Oi, Rysky, you're supposed to be a Solarion, not a bloody ninja!
In Pathfinder you built towards a Prestige Class, which is a bit different than multiclassing, since the abilities granted by the PC took some bite out of the progression hit, whereas multiclassing usually didn't except for certain dips.
In Starfinder if you later want to join the Hellknights yes you're perfectly fine flavoring your character as a Hellknight without Hellknight mechanics, just as you could in Pathfinder. But for those who want Hellknight flavor AND mechanics, they're being told nope, you're too late. You still want Hellknight mechanics? Stop what you are doing and take another class and advance it to get those mechanics. Moreso in Starfinder multiclassing hurts more.
Multi-classing is no more a hit to progression than Prestige classes were.
This STILL makes no sense to me. The Star Knight mechanics are the Hellknight mechanics. If you like the Hellknight mechanics, then you are already probably a Star Knight, and if you're not, then Multi-classing is still an option.
A pathfinder prestige class is generally better balanced against class levels at the level you'd join it, usually 5th, than a 1st level class would be. Adding say 1st Fighter to a character at 5th level would make much less difference than adding a 1st level of Chevalier.
As Prestige classes aren't currently a thing in Starfinder, it becomes an issue when you multiclass at later levels.
Edit: Oi, Rysky, you're supposed to be a Solarion, not a bloody ninja!
We do have Stealth as a class skill :3
Anyone know if there will be a pdf version?
There's PDFs of all of Paizo's stuff, so yep ^w^
There's not a listing atm because you can't preorder a PDF.
If you want the PDF and the book, you have to subscribe though.
The free PDF with the book, that is.
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Yes. Thank you!
But what if you want Hellknight Mechanics to back up your Hellknight Flavor?
And for those who find out about them/join later? In Pathfinder this was covered by having Prestige Classes.
I don't get how this is any different from Pathfinder. If you really want your character to be your typical Hellknight, then be a Star Knight with the Hellknight option. If you are something else and decide to become a Hellknight, multiclass.
...or you could just play whatever you want, describe your armor as spikey and black, and tell everyone you're a hellknight operative (or whatever.)
In Pathfinder you built towards a Prestige Class, which is a bit different than multiclassing, since the abilities granted by the PC took some bite out of the progression hit, whereas multiclassing usually didn't except for certain dips.
In Starfinder if you later want to join the Hellknights yes you're perfectly fine flavoring your character as a Hellknight without Hellknight mechanics, just as you could in Pathfinder. But for those who want Hellknight flavor AND mechanics, they're being told nope, you're too late. You still want Hellknight mechanics? Stop what you are doing and take another class and advance it to get those mechanics. Moreso in Starfinder multiclassing hurts more.
I'd probably ask a GM to let a mnemonic edito, Starfinder's answer to retraining, swap you to the archetype. Maybe the Hellknights have custom versions just for this purpose.
And maybe the archetype only kicks in after you have a few levels, so you have time to decide you're interested.
Are all of the Core Books going to have new races?
I'd probably ask a GM to let a mnemonic edito, Starfinder's answer to retraining, swap you to the archetype. Maybe the Hellknights have custom versions just for this purpose.
And maybe the archetype only kicks in after you have a few levels, so you have time to decide you're interested.
That'd be neat.
And I would like to see Archetypes that follow a different progression in when they swap abilities, the ones in Core hurt some classes too much to take (Solarion) while others aren't bothered that much at all (Soldier).
Will this book contain any more details on the Pact Worlds' factions? Heirarchy, lore, important members, etc? Or will they mainly be represented in the form of archetypes? I'm hopeful we'll get some material on the Golden League at some point. The Xun sound like they'd be really fun antagonists.
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You don't have to be a star knight to be a Hellknight.But you do have to be a star knight to use the neat Hellknight mechanics. I mean, yeah, you can make character who is a priest with any class, but if you want to gain actual magical power from the worship your deity you're going to need to be a mystic or an arcane assailant or something.
There are "denizens of hell" with very low CRs, so there's no pressing reason why a 1st level character can't be a Hellknight.That makes being a Hellknight far less impressive if you just killed an imp or something.
If ever there was a "rules are rules, as defined by the letter of the law" group, it's the Hellknights.
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If ever there was a "rules are rules, as defined by the letter of the law" group, it's the Hellknights.You don't have to be a star knight to be a Hellknight.But you do have to be a star knight to use the neat Hellknight mechanics. I mean, yeah, you can make character who is a priest with any class, but if you want to gain actual magical power from the worship your deity you're going to need to be a mystic or an arcane assailant or something.
There are "denizens of hell" with very low CRs, so there's no pressing reason why a 1st level character can't be a Hellknight.That makes being a Hellknight far less impressive if you just killed an imp or something.
I mean, even the Hellknights need their squires, right? Maybe to get promoted you have to kill increasingly challenging devils.
"Oh man, Morty's such a terrible Hellknight! He barely killed that imp, took him like *belch* like twelve tries! But Summer? Damn, she's going places! Did you see her rip that ice devil's hand off and start beating him with it? Signifier for sure!"
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If ever there was a "rules are rules, as defined by the letter of the law" group, it's the Hellknights.You don't have to be a star knight to be a Hellknight.But you do have to be a star knight to use the neat Hellknight mechanics. I mean, yeah, you can make character who is a priest with any class, but if you want to gain actual magical power from the worship your deity you're going to need to be a mystic or an arcane assailant or something.
There are "denizens of hell" with very low CRs, so there's no pressing reason why a 1st level character can't be a Hellknight.That makes being a Hellknight far less impressive if you just killed an imp or something.I mean, even the Hellknights need their squires, right? Maybe to get promoted you have to kill increasingly challenging devils.
"Oh man, Morty's such a terrible Hellknight! He barely killed that imp, took him like *belch* like twelve tries! But Summer? Damn, she's going places! Did you see her rip that ice devil's hand off and start beating him with it? Signifier for sure!"
So I haven't seen much Rick & Morty, but I'm pretty sure that Rick is the opposite of a Hellknight.
So I haven't seen much Rick & Morty, but I'm pretty sure that Rick is the opposite of a Hellknight.If ever there was a "rules are rules, as defined by the letter of the law" group, it's the Hellknights.You don't have to be a star knight to be a Hellknight.But you do have to be a star knight to use the neat Hellknight mechanics. I mean, yeah, you can make character who is a priest with any class, but if you want to gain actual magical power from the worship your deity you're going to need to be a mystic or an arcane assailant or something.
There are "denizens of hell" with very low CRs, so there's no pressing reason why a 1st level character can't be a Hellknight.That makes being a Hellknight far less impressive if you just killed an imp or something.I mean, even the Hellknights need their squires, right? Maybe to get promoted you have to kill increasingly challenging devils.
"Oh man, Morty's such a terrible Hellknight! He barely killed that imp, took him like *belch* like twelve tries! But Summer? Damn, she's going places! Did you see her rip that ice devil's hand off and start beating him with it? Signifier for sure!"
That Rick is from the dimension where everyone is Hellknights. It's adjacent to the dimension that Hammer Morty is from.
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Just give me the option to play a Barathu, ideally with an archetype that lets me build Biotech, and I'll be happy beyond words.
The Barathu is one of the playable races in Alien Archive, so that part is already covered. The PC version has a racial feature called "Early Stage Adaptation" that may actually go beyond what you are hoping for.
So I haven't seen much Rick & Morty, but I'm pretty sure that Rick is the opposite of a Hellknight.If ever there was a "rules are rules, as defined by the letter of the law" group, it's the Hellknights.You don't have to be a star knight to be a Hellknight.But you do have to be a star knight to use the neat Hellknight mechanics. I mean, yeah, you can make character who is a priest with any class, but if you want to gain actual magical power from the worship your deity you're going to need to be a mystic or an arcane assailant or something.
There are "denizens of hell" with very low CRs, so there's no pressing reason why a 1st level character can't be a Hellknight.That makes being a Hellknight far less impressive if you just killed an imp or something.I mean, even the Hellknights need their squires, right? Maybe to get promoted you have to kill increasingly challenging devils.
"Oh man, Morty's such a terrible Hellknight! He barely killed that imp, took him like *belch* like twelve tries! But Summer? Damn, she's going places! Did you see her rip that ice devil's hand off and start beating him with it? Signifier for sure!"
1) whaaaaaaaaaaaaa! :O
2) Rick is the absolute embodiment of chaos, yes. He is so chaotic that he is sometimes lawful when it suits his interests. I could see him infiltrating the ranks of the Hellknights to get close to some bauble he wants to steal.
Will we get to see playable anacites (or any sort of playable construct) in this book?
Starfinder makes me wish I wasn't a broke graduate student... Looks like I wont be eating for a few weeks to save up the money in March.
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The next Hardcover is 5 months away, the APs, which have also have setting information and the like are out every other month.
Pathfinder only puts out 3 - 4 Hardcovers a year, with this one, Alien Archive 2, and whatever else they decide to release next year that’s not very different than Pathfinders’ schedule.
Calling for someone to be fired because you don’t like the publication schedule is an extreme response, especially when the schedule and writers are taxed enough as is.
The release schedule is extremely frustrating in terms of wanting more information, but my wallet is as grateful as my data hunger is frustrated about it.
Putting out a whole batch of core hardbacks at once might well have led to people skipping the whole subscription thing because they couldn't keep up with the monetary buy-in needed all at once. I had to think carefully about my subscriptions as I was at my limit just with what came out as it was.
My wallet can only handle so much.
yeah I think the schedule will pick up a bit in the future. They planned this release long before it became gang busters successful. Books take a long time to plan, align talent, budget for said talent and then place on a publication schedule. When this was done they had no way of knowing now well it would sell. Now that it is out and there is clearly a large demand they will ramp up future production. It's just the way of it.
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Does this book already have a higher print run than "Alien Archive" or is it roughly the same?
I´m asking because i have to tell a lot of people, that they´ll have to wait until at least december 2017 to comfortably play Starfinder, with the Core Rulebook 2nd printing coming out in november and the Alien Archive 2nd printing in december.
Could somebody who knows clarify from which point on print runs are gonna be higher than the ones from the initial products?
Thank you.
I keep looking at the description and I don't the see the "and much more!" I am upset...(not really but it is missing...)