
thegreenteagamer |
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Well, we'll see. Florida is impressively thorough when it comes to the foster system. I'm not kidding; I'm in the middle of 50 hours of classes about child PTSD and how to deal with kids who are sexually abused etc, and we needed like 7 references, including neighbors, jobs, etc.
I have not had a great record of holding a job before recently, and another issue that might be suspect, so theres a chance we are rejected...but I'm also kicking butt in the class thanks to my psych background, and they're really hurting for families. They just tightened the laws lately and had massive amounts of kids taken in the last two months.

thegreenteagamer |
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Well, ya know...you know how there's those Christians who b**** and moan about the world and don't do anything positive? I disdain them.
Plus I'm actually awesome with kids. Adults don't seem to like me, but kids love me. I have ridiculous standards for parenting and wouldn't feel ready to bring a kid into the world, but I sure feel I can help a kid who's already here get a better life.
I'm actually really nervous...nervous about not qualifying, about them hating me because I'm not their parent, all the stuff that comes with it...but really excited to do something meaningful. Haven't felt this way since I left teaching.

Tacticslion |
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My sister and her husband are adoptive parents - eight so far - and as a result, we know just how hard it can be, from all the different angles. What you're doing though? Praise-worthy, and congratulations-worthy all at once, whether you're accepted or not.
Peace to you - it's a painful, nerve-wracking time - and grace, regardless of the decisions made.
We're here for ya, bud. It's not much... but it's what we can do on the internet. :)

Nappingbushbaby |
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@Tacticslion: As so it is more of a time issue and not a money issue. Well I have not figured on how to create more time yet.
@greenteagamer: Congrats and good luck with the fostering parent thing. Feel free to come by and ask for advice and tell kid stories.
Wow! That was exhausting responding to two different posts...I am going to take a nap...
Zzz...Zzz...Zzz...

Tacticslion |

@Tacticslion: As so it is more of a time issue and not a money issue. Well I have not figured on how to create more time yet.
It's both. I mentioned the money issue, because prior, it has been brought up that it was inexpensive - and it is! My point, however, is that we budget well at our current expense, and one month, while nice, won't cover everything we'd want to do. PLUS (in addition to that), I have so many things that I already want to do that I don't have time for, it's... woof. I'm still trying to catch up. I mean, I lack FF12, Shadow of the Colossus, or Hyrule Warriors, but I lack not only the funds, but the time or systems to play them. So... it's the everything. :)

Tacticslion |
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I'm done, but my wife is halfway through season 2, and I'm going through again with her.
For me: Prock, but also Concierge, Tim, and Hotwire. Dr. Molocchio, and Perfectman are pretty solid - at least as of season three (it took a while for P-man to grow on me and, while still not my favorite, he's cool). While I enjoy the rest, and sympathize at times, I don't really like them.
My wife's is, far and away, Concierge - though I suspect she'll take a hit mid season 3, with

Maneuvermoose |
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Happy Thanksgiving, all. Time for me to hide inside all day lest the wrath of Black Friday traffic reach me.
Hiding inside won't protect you from Black Friday! Didja know Planescape is only 5 dollars for Black Friday, and LoG&S is only $7? BLACK FRIDAY IS INESCAPABLE!

thegreenteagamer |
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Why do so many parents lie to their kids that a fat magical stranger gives them gifts?
Don't you want your children to know it's YOU that loves them enough to work hard for them and spend your precious time and money on them?
...don't you get concerned that when they find out you lied about one thing for years, it might not be the best idea to trust you in the future?

Orthos |
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...don't you get concerned that when they find out you lied about one thing for years, it might not be the best idea to trust you in the future?
Of all the children I've observed, this has never once been an issue. The ones who have trust issues with their parents have them spawned over other, usually more important things. I've never once seen anybody say "I can't trust my parents because they lied to me about Santa."
That and most kids tend to figure it out on their own.
Otherwise, what CY said. Read Hogfather by Pratchett for further examples. "Humans need fantasy to be human."
REALLY? AS IF IT WAS SOME KIND OF PINK PILL? NO. HUMANS NEED FANTASY TO BE HUMAN. TO BE THE PLACE WHERE THE FALLING ANGEL MEETS THE RISING APE.
"Tooth fairies? Hogfathers? Little—"
YES. AS PRACTICE. YOU HAVE TO START OUT LEARNING TO BELIEVE THE LITTLE LIES.
"So we can believe the big ones?"
YES. JUSTICE. MERCY. DUTY. THAT SORT OF THING.
"They're not the same at all!"
YOU THINK SO? THEN TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY. AND YET—Death waved a hand. AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED.
"Yes, but people have got to believe that, or what's the point—"
MY POINT EXACTLY.

thegreenteagamer |
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I've read the book, Orthos. All of his, actually, except for the most recent release. I disagree that it's applicable. Humans have can have fantasy and recognize the line between fact and fiction. I have many friends who were never raised to believe in Santa, and they've always shown appreciation for their parents never lying to them in the first place.
Perhaps an added factor on this is coming at it from a spiritual perspective. It really hurts the credibility of a parent trying to instill a theological emphasis of morality on a child.
"So, there's this person who loves you a lot, but is always watching you to see how you behave, but you can't see him, and can interact with him, even though you don't feel like you are sometimes...and I swear this time, unlike with Santa, I'm not lying."
Not very credible.

thegreenteagamer |

We'll have to agree to disagree
I appreciate the diplomatic approach, but man, do I hate that phrase.
Still, I am not one to question how other people raise their kids. The "why" behind it, perhaps, but then that's how I am. It's why I went into psych; because I just am interested in finding the motivation behind people.
Sadly, all that school taught me about the why behind people's unbalanced emotions is that the answer is usually "chemical imbalance and/or sexual/emotional/physical abuse".

Orthos |

Orthos wrote:We'll have to agree to disagreeI appreciate the diplomatic approach, but man, do I hate that phrase.
Why?
It's clear neither of us is going to convince the other, and I at least don't have any desire to engage in further debate the issue, so a live-and-let-live approach where we acknowledge the disagreement we have and leave it at that without hostility seems the most logical solution.
Still, I am not one to question how other people raise their kids.
Heh, you have nothing to worry about from me in that regard, I don't have any and I intend to keep it that way. It helps that I have no interest in the prerequisites as well.

Tacticslion |
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For the record, we generally don't do the Santa thing, but neither do we reveal the truth to children.
Instead, I bypass the issue by mentioning the historical basis - Saint Nicholas - but without going into getting from "A" to "B" ... bypassing the issue.
EDIT: bah, spelling - my one weakness (aside from everything)!

thegreenteagamer |
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It's not the action, it's merely the phrase. I have no problem diplomatically ending the situation without having convinced one another. I just don't like the literal saying "agree to disagree".
Agree to disagree? Well, we disagreed beforehand, that's why we're arguing. We agreed to disagree before we started arguing, because if we didn't, we wouldn't have. We're not agreeing to disagree at this point, merely agreeing to stop trying to convince one another. It's just a phrase I find rather foolish.
Or do you disagree? I don't agree with you doing such.
:-P
Yeah, I remember you being of the asexual persuasion. Do you mind if I ask your gender? It seems baffling to me that a male could pull that off, if you are one. I can understand a lack of attraction to one gender or another, but, well...testosterone is a thing, and it has certain biological effects on the mind. Again, I hope you understand that's not me judging you; if you recall I stood up for your right to be such a while back.
(In fact, I'd say attraction is in most respects a debilitation. In my life I sure wouldn't put up with as much foolishness from women if I didn't want so desperately to have sex with them. Seriously. There is stuff my wife throws out at me where I'm like "Wait, what?!" and my junk is like "Pick your battles, man! She has breasts, damn you!" Like Paul said it is better for a man to be alone, but it is better to marry than to burn and for the love of all that is holy from the age of 13 on I have been on fire!)

Orthos |
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It's not the action, it's merely the phrase. I have no problem diplomatically ending the situation without having convinced one another. I just don't like the literal saying "agree to disagree".
Agree to disagree? Well, we disagreed beforehand, that's why we're arguing. We agreed to disagree before we started arguing, because if we didn't, we wouldn't have. We're not agreeing to disagree at this point, merely agreeing to stop trying to convince one another. It's just a phrase I find rather foolish.
Or do you disagree? I don't agree with you doing such.
:-P
yeah I guess it is kinda silly when you look at it that way.
Yeah, I remember you being of the asexual persuasion. Do you mind if I ask your gender? It seems baffling to me that a male could pull that off, if you are one. I can understand a lack of attraction to one gender or another, but, well...testosterone is a thing, and it has certain biological effects on the mind. Again, I hope you understand that's not me judging you; if you recall I stood up for your right to be such a while back.
(In fact, I'd say attraction is in most respects a debilitation. In my life I sure wouldn't put up with as much foolishness from women if I didn't want so desperately to have sex with them. Seriously. There is stuff my wife throws out at me where I'm like "Wait, what?!" and my junk is like "Pick your battles, man! She has breasts, damn you!" Like Paul said it is better for a man to be alone, but it is better to marry than to burn and for the love of all that is holy from the age of 13 on I have been on fire!)
No offense taken.
I am male, and while I understand the basics of the chemical involvements, I've always been kinda... meh on the subject.
It's amusing that you mention the "since age 13 I've been on fire" bit. My parents had the opposite problem: I was 17 before I ever expressed even the slightest interest in a relationship at all, to the point where both at least once each pulled me aside and said something along the lines of "you know it's okay for you to like girls right?" My response at the time was the typical teenager "yeah sure okay" response, but it would probably have been more honest/accurate to say "sure whatever Mom/Dad can I go back to playing Pokemon/Chrono Trigger/Final Fantasy/Golden Sun/reading (insert book series here) now?"
The one relationship I was in in high school was more just a girl that I happened to be friends with and was cool with visiting than a typical romantic or attraction-based relationship. That lasted about a month, at which point she decided that a boyfriend-girlfriend relationship was going to require more than just us hanging out on a regular basis and asked me to kiss her. I got extremely, extremely uncomfortable with the whole thing, told her no, and called my parents and asked them to come pick me up and take me home; we never actually said that we were breaking up but we stopped spending time together after that. It's one of the most uncomfortable, most unnerving experiences of my teenage years.
The closest I had to an actual "typical" relationship was in my first year of college, when I had my second girlfriend and the first time I was actually comfortable being in that kind of close interaction. That ended mostly due to me being a young idiot and doing a handful of things to screw up the relationship, but it worked out greatly for the best; she's now my brother's wife, and she and I ended up becoming more like siblings and extremely close friends even before they got married.
It was shortly after that point where I realized that I really wasn't incredibly interested in the sex portion of the relationship, what I was more after was friendship and companionship. I'm in a (long distance) relationship right now as well, but the woman I'm dating is also asexual and our situation is more based on being extremely good friends, sharing a great deal of our interests and opinions, caring for each other very strongly, and a desire for companionship and someone to rely and depend on and support, rather than any physical or sexual attraction.

thegreenteagamer |
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I'm not gonna lie, that's awesome for you Orthos. I mean, don't get me wrong, sex is totally hands down as awesome as the media portrays it to be...if you're, you know, into it...but, a relationship is way better.
I mean, I'm head over heels gaga crazy into my wife's physical appearance, but she's my best friend first and foremost, but I can tell you there are some times where I kinda forget that, because I'm too into trying to get the goodies. We did the long distance thing for about a year before I moved near her, and it was great for really developing the friendship aspect of stuff (and it made the whole "try to live right and holy before marriage" aspect a lot easier, as it kinda gave a head start to the aspect).
Question, though. What's the point of actually dating someone who isn't...you know...gonna do anything physical with you? Isn't that a friend? If you move in together, how is that different from a roommate?
Okay, "what's the point" isn't the right question, because intimate friendship is still awesome. How is it different I suppose is the question, if that isn't even really an intent in the distant future?

Tacticslion |
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"Agree to disagree" misses a key, implied par of the phrase. It means "Agree to disagree (agreeably)." i.e. the concept behind it lies in the idea of "Even though we don't agree, we can leave rest any attempt to sway one another about this topic without allowing that disagreement to, in any way, distress our relationship, even though we both feel strongly enough about a topic to refuse to be swayed."
But it's shorter and (usually) catchier to say, "Agree to disagree (agreeably)."
Unless it annoys you, in which case it is not.
/my part of the linguistics meta-discussion pedantry :D