Treesinger or Leshy Warden?


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Scarab Sages

I have a player that plans on going as a "Verdant Caller" Summoner (Heroes of the Wild, player companion) which basically is a summoner who gets a plant for an Eidolon. My player wants to have a second plant, companion or familiar.

In terms of which is more favorable for a plant-themed character, which of the following options below is better as a 1-level dip when going druid?

Treesinger: Plant Companion which functions mostly like an Animal Companion.

Leshy Warden: Plant-based Familiar in the form of a Leshy

Both are archetype options for Druid. Both replace/alter Nature Bond, Wildshape, Wild Empathy.

Meaning you can't stack the archetypes without some wonky house ruling.


What does he want the second plant buddy to do? Frankly the Leshy isn't terribly useful on its own as the main point is so you can have a buddy and a domain. The one that seems the best is the seaweed leshy and you don't get that option till level 12.

So I'd kind of suggest the tree singer, either way this is gonna be a useless tree friend without some serious investments, and then your eidolon tree friend becomes worse.

Edit: however leshy's are adorable. See my pic for the adorableness of a leaf Leshy. :D


Hm... Perhaps look into the animal ally and boon companion feats. I'm assuming you are the Gm Yes? Just rule he can take one of the plant buddies from the tree singer class instead of the usual animal buddy. If you are open to a little house ruling, if not, then the previous post still stands.

Scarab Sages

Looking over it, leshy would only need 2-feat investment to make it scalable to hit die. Plant companion would need a 3-feat investment to make it scalable to hit die. I was looking at Animal Ally so I might just houserule it a tiny bit so it functions with Treesinger.

She wants to have a second plant because roleplay. I will admit, leshys are adorable.

EDIT: Yes I am the GM for a party of five.


Well if the second buddy is for role-play only I say a Leshy would be great for that. On a fun note Seaweed Leshy's can provide a small amount of water breathing to the party by eating magical bulbs that grow from them. Thus you have an adorable little plant friend who provides a super handy, if not situational, buff to the party. They are also fairly intelligent, so that could provide some interesting uh, stuff.

Scarab Sages

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I think she would be stuck with a Leaf Leshy. Unless that archetype feature is taking the leshy's level/hit die into account.

Though yes it would be interesting to see a plant summoner with a leshy familiar like when they go into a city.


The Leshy warden at designated levels gets the option to A: buff her leshy's Str and DEX or B: swap it out for a new kind of Leshy.

These levels are 4, with the option to buff the leaf leshy or replace her Leshy with a gourd leshy, 8, with the option to buff whatever Leshy she has, or acquire a fungus leshy (which aren't cuddly and are in fact kind of scary might I add), and 12, where you have the option to buff whatever Leshy you have at this point or replace your Leshy with a seaweed leshy.


Fairly certain the summoner would need to go 8 Summoner / Druid 12 to get a Seaweed Leshy as the Leshy Tender archetype feature for Druids is only unlocked if the player reaches level 4 as a Druid for it to even start working. The player who was a Summoner 19 / Druid 1 would have a 20 hit die Leaf Leshy familiar.


Sam Defoe wrote:
Fairly certain the summoner would need to go 8 Summoner / Druid 12 to get a Seaweed Leshy as the Leshy Tender archetype feature for Druids is only unlocked if the player reaches level 4 as a Druid for it to even start working. The player who was a Summoner 19 / Druid 1 would have a 20 hit die Leaf Leshy familiar.

Was more pointing out the leaf Leshy's merit in case he home ruled animal ally and boon companion to allow for a plant buddy as I'm sure 12 levels in Druid is not what he was looking for.

Scarab Sages

Yeah my player doesn't want to go further than a 1-level dip into druid. Confirmation is that she wants to go for Leshy Warden to get a Leaf Leshy.

Can't say I blame her for only wanting to take only a 1-level dip as opposed to a 2 or 4 level dip. Summoner is a very level hungry class.


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Haha! Leshys rule :P


There's a feat that allows you to grow Leshies (and all manner of other creatures), found in The Complete Advanced Feats, called Create Wondrous Creature.

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