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I wasn't talking about facial features.
Both are fully able-bodied, white, female, brown hair, green/hazel eyes; within 1 SD of average caucasian female height; and BMI ~18.
So are a dozen or two other actresses. Your point...I'm missing it.
And also they look nothing alike. I would have picked them out of a crowd instantly.
[makes plans to fondle and wantonly make out with freehold the next time I see him]now on topic of Rogue One, 2 questions I have
1: who was the Imperial Officer in the White Cape
2: Who was the Person in the Black clock bowing before the holographic projector
1. Baron arem heshvaun.
2. No idea.
I am patiently waiting to just spin by your job one day and you are wearing thrawns outfit.
Bonus points if there's a fire drill and you say, "Evacuate? In our moment of triumph?"
First off, I love the idea of this movie. From the trailer, it comes across less as a heroic space opera and more of a dark and gritty guerrilla war with an intensely fatalistic atmosphere.
I'm surprised people haven't discussed the implications of the trailer. This is either a red herring, or a colossal (and chilling) spoiler.
What will you do when they catch you? What will you do if they break you? If you continue to fight, what will you become?"
Your point...I'm missing it.
Clearly
Of course, given that, any blonde female main character would be assumed to be related to Anakin & Luke.Well, of the named characters from the 7 films already, do we even *have* a blonde female? Does blonde hair exist on anyone but Anakin and Luke in the entire film franchise? Well, a google search shows Obi-wan was in 2/3 of the PT, and light brown in the third, and Qui-gon could be construed as a shade of blonde, but thats like 4 total blonde humans over seven movies.
None of Rogue 1's cast is blonde.
Mon Mothma is auburn haired.
Palpatine was *light haired* in episode 1, but whether that was a blonde natural or a faded brown as he was graying is anyone's guess.
A large group shot from the gungan victory in Epi 1 shows 1 blonde unnamed female (she probably has a name, this is star wars afterall. everything on screen has a name).
All the extras on the Yavin medalling ceremony were capped or helmed.
So in the entire on-screen galaxy far-far away, there are maybe six characters, one of which is female near extra, that aren't completely in-the-background extras, who are blonde.
Ned Stark would figure out right away that Luke was Anakin's son...
Though Christie's hair was covered by a Silver Stormtrooper helmet, she's blonde...
Wait...are you saying she's a skywalker?
Exhibit A
Hilarious!
I care a little, but not enough to miss a Star Wars movie on the big screen! :P
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I would like to mention something here that has been a point of contention I have tried to make for some 25 years now.
The Empire, with its near limitless resources drawn from the "thousand thousand systems" it governs and oversees, is first and foremost a political entity.
The Empire has the largest military The Galaxy has ever known, but The Emperor and his inner circle always ruled over the military arms of The Empire.
Over the years, some one the internets would indicate that a Grand Admiral holds a rank above a Grand Moff. I always cringed a little at that.
After over two and a half decades of EU cross banter, the Rogue One trailer lends me some Canon material to help my stand.
In the trailer, what may very well be a Grand Admiral's rank insignia clearly shows twelve squares (six blue, six red).
Here is the important distinction.
In Imperial hierarchical nomenclature, BLUE (sometimes indicative of military, field or combat command) is outranked by RED (sometimes indicative of administrative, operational or senior command), while ORANGE/Yellow outranks both (and is indicative of executive and POLITICAL command).
What is interesting is the Imperial officer in the video shows the same rank as Fleet Admirals Ozzel and Piet from The Empire Strikes Back, which is technically one step below that of Grand Admiral.
Also in the Grand Admiral image, there seems to be a silver blaster on his side as his personal side arm. Despite what the toy manufacturers have you believe, we almost never see a high ranking Imperial officer with side arms. I like that this one does, indicating he does not mind mixing it up a little, and gives him a General Patton esque vibe to him.
#MondayImperialMussings
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This is a great evocative clip, I love that this image taken alone screams Star Wars.
I like this clip because it shows us enough to make us wonder about two things.
First the obvious, who is the cloaked figure in the foreground? Darth Vader? An Imperial Inquisitor? An Imperial Advisor? Perhaps someone who will one day become Snoke from Episode VII?
But the second image, the one blocked by the cloaked figure, and flanked by Royal Guards, what is there?
Some are saying a holographic image communications projector.
Me, I am inclined to think its a version/variation of a bacta tank similar to what we see Luke in on Hoth, or even a cryo stasis chamber, which lends to the image of Han in carbonite.
But then WHO IS IN THE TANK/CRYO CHAMBER?
Again it could be Darth Vader, healing from the wounds inflicted on him by Obi-Wan Kenobi in Revenge of the Sith. Perhaps The Emperor himself (although this I find less likely).
#MondayImperialMusings
Baron, does that mean that a Grand Moff outranks a Grand Admiral, because while they have the same number of squares, a Moff has ones that indicate ranks in administrative and operational command in addition to military command?
How did you handle it at WEG?
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Baron, does that mean that a Grand Moff outranks a Grand Admiral, because while they have the same number of squares, a Moff has ones that indicate ranks in administrative and operational command in addition to military command?
How did you handle it at WEG?
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This is a great evocative clip, I love that this image taken alone screams Star Wars.
Me, I am inclined to think its a version/variation of a bacta tank similar to what we see Luke in on Hoth,...
The hoses at the top of the chambers are certainly similar.
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SWNN points out that it most closely resembles a generic admiral's bar, with 6 red over six blue.
Thrawn had a six blue left, with a 3 yellow over 3 red right.
Tarkin had a six blue above 3 yellow left and 3 red right.
It mentions that Aftermath had a fleet admiral meddling in parts and could be this guy.
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OK, a bit more searching, this is regular admiral for sure. In both Rebels and the "Everything you need to know" book, the six red over six blue is admiral. Grand Generals have been shown in the new canon, but no grand admirals. Vice Admirals were 5 red / 5 blue.
I'm guessing hes the admiral overseeing the shadowtroopers or whatever the black armor guys are. His fleet is the spec ops fleet.
Knowing absolutely nothing about Star Wars Imperial chains of command this seems to me to be a nonsensical question. Does a US Governor outrank a 5-Star General?
Mu.
I see, and maybe incorrectly, The Empire as a junta. In military dictatorships the weird combination of military and civilian titles isn't uncommon. The lack of division between those powers tends to be part of the problem. Just ask the folks over in Thailand these days....
*shrug*
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In Tarkin, Palpatine creates the Grand Moff title specifically for Tarkin. Moffs were system or multi-system governors, who were, for all intents and purposes, their own miniature Emperors. They answered to what appeared to be a pretty small council (small is relative when Vader is in the room next to Palpatine), but Tarkin, in his role as Moff of the outer rim systems he controlled, didn't seem to have supreme control of the military. The feeling I got reading was that his rank was a formal administrative rank, and not an *actual* military engagement, especially since he rose to that position through the bureaucracy. Until the Grand Moff installation at the end, in which he was given complete control over every aspect of the Death Star's creation, construction, and operation, answering only to Palpatine himself.
/me again recommends reading Tarkin.
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I am boarding a flight, so more posts later.
I had floated a personal theory last week on some Star Wars boards that originally did not get any traction in fact hit a wall of opposition, but now seems to have raised some eyebrows and gained some backers.
What if this is not a Grand Admiral at all, but a high ranking Imperial Security Bureau officer (possibly even The Director of the ISB, who would be the analogue, contemporary, and direct political competing rival of Ysanne Isard in Imperial Intelligence).
What clued me into this?
In the first glimpse we see of the Imperial officer, he seems (at least to me) to be wearing black pants and black gloves. Grand Admirals have all white uniforms, including pants and gloves, whereas high ranking ISB officials we have seen from A New Hope wear off white tops and black pants and gloves.
The costume designers are clearly very aware of the Expanded Universe, and the devil Sith is in the detail.
#MondayImperialMusings #TheEmpireIsFOREVER
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I need to read "Tarkin."
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Baron, does that mean that a Grand Moff outranks a Grand Admiral, because while they have the same number of squares, a Moff has ones that indicate ranks in administrative and operational command in addition to military command?
How did you handle it at WEG?
That's exactly how we envisioned it. Later EU sort of muddled it up.
Here were the distinctions.
A minor planet or system, say Tatooine, would have a planetary Prefect. Prefects answered to their System's Governor.
A more important System or one that was deemed useful to The Empire, such as Bakura, would have an Imperial Governor, and several planets, man made space stations and territories in the System would fall under the System Governor's jurisdiction. No matter how powerful a Governor was, he would still answer to the Sector's Moff.
A Moff governed an entire Sector, a very large region of space, and several Systems in the Sector were under his direct influence. The Moff may chose to personally take on the role of a Governor of favored planet as well, in essence making the planet the capital of that Sector.
In most cases a Moff was given titular military ranks of Surface Marshal and High Admiral, granting him command of all military forces in his own Sector, also known as the Sector Group, including 24 Imperial Class Star Destroyers. A Moff could command, appoint and promote members of the military up to the ranks of Admiral and General.
A Moff in turn answered to an Imperial Advisor, or if the Moff was in charge of a key strategic Sector, the Imperial Inner Circle. Later on, as the Rebellion grew, and Priority and Over Sectors were created to extinguish the spark of Rebellion, Moffs would answer to Grand Moffs.
Grand Moffs, of which The Grand Moff Tarkin (of Over Sector Outer) was the first to be elevated to that position, reported directly and solely to The Emperor.
Grand Moffs had three (and in the case of Grand Moff Tarkin, four) full Sector Groups under their direct command, in addition to all the other forces in their Over Sector. This would include many hundreds of Naval vessels, and millions of ground forces, and an even larger civilian bureaucracy.
Grand Admirals and Grand Marshals/Generals, a later addition, were military ranks somewhere above a Moff but under a Grand Moff, and were given special or roving commands, not necessarily fixed to any one Region or Sector.
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Knowing absolutely nothing about Star Wars Imperial chains of command this seems to me to be a nonsensical question. Does a US Governor outrank a 5-Star General?
Actually therein lays the reason for many early successes of the Rebellion.
A small rebel group could commit acts of sabotage and treason in one Sector, and then hyper space jump a few Sectors over.
In doing so, an Imperial officer's forces from one Sector could not follow the fleeing rebels to the Sector they jumped to without getting permission from that Sector's Moff. Think of it as crossing state lines in the US, or international boundaries around the world.
All these powerful Moffs, men of high egos and pride of course would never easily grant such permission, in effect relying on their own resources to track down the fleeing rebels. In this manner the rebels would move Sector to Sector before the Imperials could close the gap, exploiting Imperial "red tape."
Then Moff Tarkin proposed (in what was later named The Tarkin Doctrine)what would be known as Priority Over Sectors, where Imperial units from one Sector could continue pursuit of fleeing rebels without fear of reprisal from another Sector. For this, and other recommendations in The Tarkin Doctrine (Rule of Fear), Moff Tarkin was the first christened Grand Moff.
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SWNN points out that it most closely resembles a generic admiral's bar, with 6 red over six blue.
Fleet Admiral would be more appropriate.
I still think there is a chance this new Imperial Hero could be very well be the Imperial Security Bureau Director.
This is rather telling, ISB Commander Alecia Beck in an animated comic based on the Smuggler’s Run junior novel which IS Canon wears a very similar uniform.
I think the people behind Star Wars continuity are keeping a tighter reign over all the Star Wars licenses.
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In Tarkin, Palpatine creates the Grand Moff title specifically for Tarkin. Moffs were system or multi-system governors, who were, for all intents and purposes, their own miniature Emperors. They answered to what appeared to be a pretty small council (small is relative when Vader is in the room next to Palpatine), but Tarkin, in his role as Moff of the outer rim systems he controlled, didn't seem to have supreme control of the military. The feeling I got reading was that his rank was a formal administrative rank, and not an *actual* military engagement, especially since he rose to that position through the bureaucracy. Until the Grand Moff installation at the end, in which he was given complete control over every aspect of the Death Star's creation, construction, and operation, answering only to Palpatine himself.
Actually, again in 1988, West End Games, did note in The Imperial Sourcebook, (pdf link for those interested) that Emperor Palpatine did in fact elevate Moff Tarkin to Grand Moff after the later presented The Emperor with the concepts that would later become known as The Tarkin Doctrine.
Moffs and Grand Moffs DID have command and control over the military units within their own Sectors. In practice though a Moff did not have direct jurisdiction over the Imperial forces in the neighboring Sector.
The creation of Gand Moffs and Priority Over Sectors erased this flaw in the Imperial chain of command.
Of course the flaw with all this is that the entirety of that was tossed out with the bathwater when they eradicated everything in the EU cannon except for Clone Wars and the 6 movies.
Of course, the alternate item is that they are still referring to that stuff for inspiration...so who knows what they are thinking or not?
I got an error with the download (is it legal?), but I do have the original hardback in my private library when I want to peruse it...so that's all good.
That was in IE, probably works fine in Chrome though.
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Of course the flaw with all this is that the entirety of that was tossed out with the bathwater when they eradicated everything in the EU cannon except for Clone Wars and the 6 movies.
Now seven movies.
But I have read Tarkin which is Canon, nothing major or significant in the book contradicts The Imperial Sourcebook, in fact builds upon it.
I am betting the author mined The Imperial Sourcebook, or notes taken from it on Wookiepedia as reference.
Further, because of Star Wars Rebels, the ISB and The Inquisitorius (again first seen in The Imperial Sourcebook) are considered Canon once again.
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I am posting this mainly for Freehold, but anyone else who is loyal citizen of The Empire is free to enjoy.
#TheEmpireISForever
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I am posting this mainly for Freehold, but anyone else who is loyal citizen of The Empire is free to enjoy.
#TheEmpireISForever
I remember this! It has only grown more awesome with time.
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It is a well produced bit of Imperial propoganda.Thank you! We do take pride in our work.
Good show Imperial Navy. You managed to win a ludicrously one sided engagement.Thanks again.
We REALLY take pride in our work. It's not our fault we sometimes have slow days. Hell, we live for those days!
Good strategy is making sure that all of your fights are ridiculously one-sided.
Of course the flaw with all this is that the entirety of that was tossed out with the bathwater when they eradicated everything in the EU cannon except for Clone Wars and the 6 movies.Now seven movies.
But I have read Tarkin which is Canon, nothing major or significant in the book contradicts The Imperial Sourcebook, in fact builds upon it.
I am betting the author mined The Imperial Sourcebook, or notes taken from it on Wookiepedia as reference.
Further, because of Star Wars Rebels, the ISB and The Inquisitorius (again first seen in The Imperial Sourcebook) are considered Canon once again.
I wouldn't be surprised if they are utilizing those as sources or references.
That video was pretty impressive!
Here's one of my favorite tunes in regards to the Imperial forces...
It's more the tune than the video...
Or for a more complete, but no images and somewhat worse sound quality....
They should totally have this used in one of the movies!
On the Tie Fighter ideas though...I was always an X-wing or A-Wing Pilot. LOVE the X-wing fire power, but love the A-wing maneuverability and speed.
Better than a two hit and your done Tie Fighter any day! Tie Advanced and Tie Defenders on the otherhand...talk about beasts of ships.
Still, had to support my side rather than turn to the Imperials!
Spent WAAAAY too many hours doing those starship battles.
Have I said Y-WING PILOT 4 LIFE in this thread yet? I don't think I have.
It is a well produced bit of Imperial propoganda.
Well ignore the improbability of that group haveing three competant pilots or the blatently unrealistic exchange victory numbers shown.
I will grant that the end result of the encounter is accurate. Two Star Destroyers and an Interdiction cruiser would wipe the floor with a frigate, corvette, and some transports. Good show Imperial Navy. You managed to win a ludicrously one sided engagement.
I think it would have been possible to punch a hole through one of those ships with focused ion cannon fire from the y wings and escape. But then again, that's not the point of this story.
Remember when this thread was about the Star Wars Rogue One movie?
Good times ...
that's for the young rookies...it's the old aces talking now!
Though I think I got my ranking to the highest it could be on X-wing vs Tie Fighter.
Had some epic clashes in X-wing alliance though, but not as much experience as with the former.
Y-wings definitely had power, they and the B-wings were the bombers of the bunch though.
They could get really torn up if you didn't have a great wing man to cover your back when a tie got on it.
With two wingman on a trio, Y-wings could be pretty decent.
I think I flew one or two of them in the Battlefield II, still preferred X-wings in that even...or the Arc series in the Clone Wars battles.
For Radle...on the actual topic, I did pick up the Blu-ray and DVD recently. Ironically, they had a single DVD or the Blu-ray/DVD/HD combo for the exact same price. Don't know why they were doing that.
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See, that's just as delusional as the Imps, Freehold.
The Y-Wing was a piece of bantha poodoo during the Clone Wars, and it did not improve with age.
Still, it was better than a TIE.
drunken lies not substantiated by the fiction, Krensky. Bombers are the bane of warships.
It was clearly not bantha poodoo, as shown on the introductory clone wars episode.
Y wing 4 life! Fighters make movies bombers make history!
Remember when this thread was about the Star Wars Rogue One movie?
Good times ...
that's for the young rookies...it's the old aces talking now!
Though I think I got my ranking to the highest it could be on X-wing vs Tie Fighter.
Had some epic clashes in X-wing alliance though, but not as much experience as with the former.
Y-wings definitely had power, they and the B-wings were the bombers of the bunch though.
They could get really torn up if you didn't have a great wing man to cover your back when a tie got on it.
With two wingman on a trio, Y-wings could be pretty decent.
I think I flew one or two of them in the Battlefield II, still preferred X-wings in that even...or the Arc series in the Clone Wars battles.
For Radle...on the actual topic, I did pick up the Blu-ray and DVD recently. Ironically, they had a single DVD or the Blu-ray/DVD/HD combo for the exact same price. Don't know why they were doing that.
forget wingmen, you need a gunner to save your bacon in a y wing.
Why you cannot control your gunner in a y wing the same as on a yt-style ship in x wing alliance us beyond me.
From what I can tell, a squadron of YT-1300 freighters would have just am impressive kill ratio. Those things are indestructible despite losing radar dishes, belly crashing landings etc