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Black Dougal wrote:
Not so tough now are you AT AT..

Ta Ta, AT-AT. (Yes, this is a palindrome)

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AT-ATs aren't that tough. A simple tow line can bring them down.


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Charles Scholz wrote:

AT-ATs aren't that tough. A simple tow line can bring them down.

...either a tow line connected and whipped around at high speed...

OR

...a tow line that a space knight uses to zip up, cut open one with a special laser sword and toss a thermal detonator in the hole.

Other than those options, a tow line isn't all that great (AND WHY would you have them on a *defensive fighter*??? Talk about poor armament choices!)


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Wei Ji the Learner wrote:
Charles Scholz wrote:

AT-ATs aren't that tough. A simple tow line can bring them down.

...either a tow line connected and whipped around at high speed...

OR

...a tow line that a space knight uses to zip up, cut open one with a special laser sword and toss a thermal detonator in the hole.

Other than those options, a tow line isn't all that great (AND WHY would you have them on a *defensive fighter*??? Talk about poor armament choices!)

Uhh, Snowspeeder gravskiing? :)


Most assuredly, it gets boring on Hoth.


Yes. Aside from building a legion of Stormtrooper snowmen for target practice, what else is there? Going to the beach?

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Black Dougal wrote:

So after watching all the trailers several times, I am happy to report that the AT-AT that gets hit by a missle in the left weapons mount later blows up and falls due to damage inflicted by a starfighter.

Not so tough now are you AT AT..

To be fair that's not an AT-AT but rather an AT-ACT.

It does not have the firepower of its military counterpart, lacking the heavy dual chin mounted heavy cannons, but carrying similar temple mounted anti-personnel/vehicle medium blasters.

Supposedly AT-ACT are larger (I read this as wider), slower versions of their military counterparts, being used for cargo transport it may stand to reason they are not as heavily armored as well.

Yours truly will be busy updating the Wookiepedia during the Holidays.


Wasn't aware of the AT-ACT. *sigh* The things that happen when I'm not looking.

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Something I found interesting last year after seeing The Force Awakens.

After conferring with a old friends from a long time ago, the very circle of gentlemen that would one day become the early contributors and site administrators of what would become Wookieepedia, we agreed that you could take over 80% of Timothy Zahn's Heir to the Empire trilogy whole cloth and still not contradict current canon in the movie.

If you make the assumption Kylo Ren and Rey are twins (I do not), then some 90%++ of Timothy Zahn's works still hold up.

Just because Disney said "reboot," (both understandable and necessary) does not invalidate and lessen all that has come before.

My two Galactic credits opinion.

(Ironically, one of the exceptions to the novel lore versus current canon is with Thrawn himself, because of the events of Rebels, Thrawn's promotion to Grand Admiral happens much earlier in the Saga's timeline.)


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baron arem heshvaun wrote:

Something I found interesting last year after seeing The Force Awakens.

After conferring with a old friends from a long time ago, the very circle of gentlemen that would one day become the early contributors and site administrators of what would become Wookieepedia, we agreed that you could take over 80% of Timothy Zahn's Heir to the Empire trilogy whole cloth and still not contradict current canon in the movie.

If you make the assumption Kylo Ren and Rey are twins (I do not), then some 90%++ of Timothy Zahn's works still hold up.

Just because Disney said "reboot," (both understandable and necessary) does not invalidate and lessen all that has come before.

My two Galactic credits opinion.

(Ironically, one of the exceptions to the novel lore versus current canon is with Thrawn himself, because of the events of Rebels, Thrawn's promotion to Grand Admiral happens much earlier in the Saga's timeline.)

That largely works only because so much of what's happened in between is still a mystery. Much of which, especially backstory for the main characters, they surely have already worked out.

Of course, none of that lessens what's come before. The good stories are still good, even if they're not canon. The lousy ones remain lousy.

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"Trust" Rogue One trailer.

Interestingly with the resolution to the AT-ACT scene we were talking about on this thread.

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Just read through Catalyst the Rogue One prequel novel. Not essential reading but will shed some light to the back story of the upcoming movie.

Some things I picked up from the novel (some very minor spoilers).

Spoilered for length

Spoiler:

The actual construction of the Death Star started as a top secret Old Republic Project, not as a Separtist, as events from Attack of the Clones may have led us to believe.

Count Dooku brought the plans for the Death Star to Darth Sidious, he in turn, as Supreme Chancellor Palpatine, used this to instill fear of the Separtists building a weapon, and the Republic needed to build one of their own first.

Supreme Chancellor Palpatine created the Strategic Advisory Cell to take charge of the Death Star Project, all of whom signed the Official Secrets Act, that would ensure no one, not even the Jedi, were made aware of the project.

The Death Star actually began construction less than a year after the events of Attack of the Clones.

The first part of the Death Star to be completed was the prime meridian.

Lieutenant Commander Orson Krennic was formerly a member of the Core of Engineers of the Old Republic. Krennic never held any love for Grand Moff Tarkin, and was both envious and covetous of the Grand Moff's position in The Empire.

For his part, Grand Moff Tarkin always wanted direct operational and political control of the Death Star, but while it was being built, was content in Krennic taking the blame for the projects numerous delays.

The Old Republic had protected planets known as Legacy Worlds, worlds that considered important environmentally, historically or politically vital to the Galaxy and the Republic. Alderaan was one of the oldest of these worlds.

Then Empire ravaged many of these worlds for resources to fuel there ever growing military.

Kyber Crystals were impossible to synthsize in part because they are partially organic in nature (The Living Force).

Galen Erso (Jyn's father) was researching Kyber Crystals so that he could develop cheap and sustainable power for developing Republic worlds.

In secret, Galen was given access to the largest Kyber Crystal he had ever seen or heard about. Galen was a pacifist and believed his research was for energy enrichment. But all his tests ad data were moved to other facilities in hopes of weaponizing his research. One of this facilities failed to produce his tests properly, resulting in the complete destruction of a large city and the deaths of tens of thousands of civilians.

The Super Laser's cover name and agency was known as Project Celestial Power.

The Super Laser's first successful test fire was near two black holes (EU's Maw Installation?). The test Super Laser was 2% the size of the actual weapon.

Lyra Erso, Jyn's mother, is Force Sensitive, she could feel The Force.

Jyn Erso is born on the first year of The Clone Wars, making her 21 or 22 by the time of Rogue One.

Saw Gerrera (The Clone Wars) helped the Erso's escape The Empire.

The escape led to the complete breakdown of the time table for developing the Super Laser, and the demotion of Krennic.

The men who would later assume the Imperial titles of Grand Vizer Sate Pestage, Imperial Advisors Ars Dangor and Janus Greejatus make an appearance in this novel. At this time they are Special Emissaries of the Supreme Chancellor.

This is excellent because Grand Vizer Pestage has been mentioned since 1979's The Empire Strikes Back script. Imperial Advisor Janus Greejatus is seen in 1983's Return of the Jedi but is not named until 1988 by the West End Games roleplaying game. Imperial Advisor Ars Dagnor, who is a roleplaying game character, is Canon once again, and named by yours truly. (humble brag, this is something I share with Paizo's Lisa and Vic, who got to name some screen characters.)

The Officer rank insignia and bars of the Old Republic and The Empire not only indicated affiliation and seniority, but also acted as automated security clearance for restricted data and areas. More senior rank bars qualifying holders to more sensitive and classified information and areas. (also formerly a personal idea from my team at West End Games)

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baron arem heshvaun wrote:

[from about 7 weeks ago] Krennic vs Tarkin

I have also posted on a few other sites that it may very well be Grand Moff Tarkin we see walking confidently towards Krennic in the trailer at 1:20, it seems that got some traction on the webs.

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Rogue One, Empire Rising trailer

Why yes, that IS Grand Moff Tarkin kids.

Blast the volume up! I LOVE me some Imperial March.


Okay, that trailer is my favorite so far.

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Only like 3 more weeks...

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The IMDb site still does not list anyone playing Tarkin.
At I guess I would say they used unused shots of Peter Cushing from Star Wars and digitally edited it like they did when Tom Hanks shook hands with President Kennedy in Forrest Gump.


Is it normal for a movie to have so many different trailers?

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In the last few years, yes.

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Tickets for Thursday night acquired!


Wei Ji the Learner wrote:


And we definitely won't talk about how speciesist they were.

I suspect when we meet aliens this will be our hat.


I'll be purchasing my tickets on Friday.


Scratch that best friend and wife are double dating with me and my wife on my wife's birthday at local theater.


And I'll be working that day, the second eleven hour shift that week at my parking garage. But at least it's a payday, and I'm off on the weekends.

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Anyone else want to see Biggs and Porkins kicking butt in x-wings during the space battles? Just a couple of quick shots and lines from them would be cool.


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Did I mention I'm meeting Biggs tomorrow?

Because I'm meeting Biggs tomorrow.

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Happy for you!
Also jealous.

Edit: Wow, Eric Hagon has had an impressive career in the acting business.
He was in Doctor Who with both Jon Pertwee and Matt Smith, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Batman, and Mission: Impossible to name a few in the last 57 years.


Some bad news... Some of the pilots dropped out from the convention. Red leader and Gold leader will not be there.

I'm really sad.


Charles Scholz wrote:

Happy for you!

Also jealous.

Edit: Wow, Eric Hagon has had an impressive career in the acting business.
He was in Doctor Who with both Jon Pertwee and Matt Smith, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Batman, and Mission: Impossible to name a few in the last 57 years.

I HAVE BOTH HIS DOCTOR WHO OUTINGS ON DVD!!!

And dear lord, he was in The Line of Beauty, Örnen!!!!, Cambridge Spies... daaaaaaaamn.


And Z-Cars (everyone was in Z-Cars, it seems - it's where BRIAN BLESSED got his start, for instance).


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ATTENTION, EVERYONE!

I was on Youtube just now and found this. Enjoy.

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John Napier 698 wrote:

ATTENTION, EVERYONE!

I was on Youtube just now and found this. Enjoy.

I'd seen the animation before (and there's a brief discussion of it upthread a ways), but hadn't heard the song. So I spent a chunk of my lunch break watching Sabaton videos on YouTube, thankyouverymuch.


Found it. It was in April, well before I began posting anything. Thanks for the info. *embarassed* Oops.


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HOLY SHIT I JUST MET BIGGS AND GOT HIS AUTOGRAPH!


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Not to brag, but I've got an autographed photo from Anthony Daniels. When he's not in movies, he's an adjunct professor at CMU. When he's teaching at CMU's Center for Entertainment Technology in Pittsburgh, he parks in the garage I patrol. I've let him out several times when his lease card wasn't working. And no, I didn't ask for an autographed photo.


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I'm hoping Rogue One has a "Butch Cassidy" ending where everyone goes out in a pyrrhic sort of victory. One where they steal and transmit the plans, only to become overwhelmed in the end.

It might not be likely as it is made by Disney, yet I like the occasional tragic endings to change things up.


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Tangentally related, ultrasabers had a grab-bag discount, so i got my 3 year old niece a cheap er ultrasaber instead of a disney store lightsaber.

I paid 15 bucks extra for the heavy duty plastic so it wouldn't break when swung at full force. The thing looks awesome and doesn't just light up it LIGHTS up.

This will be much vengence for a lifetime of wrongdoings from my sister... :)


Sorry, this is slightly off topic but just watched SW Rebels and see Thrawn has 6 blue, 3 red and 3 orange/yellow bars on his insignia. Would that put him above Krenic and on the same level as Tarkin?

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Black Dougal wrote:
Sorry, this is slightly off topic but just watched SW Rebels and see Thrawn has 6 blue, 3 red and 3 orange/yellow bars on his insignia. Would that put him above Krenic and on the same level as Tarkin?

Militarrily yeah, but not politically. Tarkin has more red pips. If I was paying attention to what baron was saying.

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I love how that Mon Cal was 'modeled' after Winston Churchill.

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KestrelZ wrote:
I like the occasional tragic endings to change things up.

To be fair, even as a child, I always thought Episodes IV and VI ended tragically.

Foul Rebel propaganda rubbish.

Give me the hopeful promise of Episode III or the beautiful truth of Episode V any day.


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As someone who played a dark jedi imperial ace pilot in SWG...I concur.

Spoiler:
There was a quest you could get from Darth Vader to get his old fighter from SW III, that if you failed any step, he'd force choke you to death. Was the best quest ever :)

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Black Dougal wrote:
Sorry, this is slightly off topic but just watched SW Rebels and see Thrawn has 6 blue, 3 red and 3 orange/yellow bars on his insignia. Would that put him above Krenic and on the same level as Tarkin?
Militarily yeah, but not politically. Tarkin has more red pips. If I was paying attention to what baron was saying.

It does get tricksy.

(Quick Guide to)

Imperial Military Parlance:

Grand Moff Tarkin has 3 Gold/Yellow pips, Director Krennic has none.

Blue denotes Military/Field Combat, Red represents Command Staff/Operations/Administrative and outranks Blue (on a pip per pip basis), Gold/Yellow denotes Political/Sovereign Power and trumps both Blue and Red.

Besides the number of pips/squares, you need to pay attention to the manner of how they are arranged as well, and have to see how many Rank Cylinder bars (as seen here) there are, here Director Krennic looks like he has 2.

That means Grand Moff Tarkin is at least three levels above Krennic, possibly four, Militarily as well.

Now let's take a look at Grand Moff Tarkin and Grand Admiral Thrawn in this clip.

The Grand Moff's rank insignia is true to Canon from Episode IV, the arrangement of his rank bar gives him seniority over Grand Admiral Thrawn, not by a wide margin but it still does.

He also has seniority of rank, in that he has been a Grand Moff far longer than Grand Admiral Thrawn has been a Grand Admiral.

I actually smiled when I saw the Rebels clip above the first time.

They got everyone's ranks right, and you even hear Grand Moff Tarkin address the Grand Admiral as just "Thrawn," a small but distinct insult, showing just who top Nek hound is. A slight that was not lost to the Grand Admiral.

Grand Moff Tarkin was always a speciest

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I don't think I have ever posted this here before.

But if you ever wondered what high level Imperials would sound as voiced by Nazi officers, or how do you make the ultimate villains patriots sound even more Lawful Evil, here you are.

I love how General Tagge says "Kaiser" for The Emperor.


I don't think naming him something that sounds like Wilhelm was a coincidence...


baron arem heshvaun wrote:

I don't think I have ever posted this here before.

But if you ever wondered what high level Imperials would sound as voiced by Nazi officers, or how do you make the ultimate villains patriots sound even more Lawful Evil, here you are.

I love how General Tagge says "Kaiser" for The Emperor.

That was amazing...

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Kryzbyn wrote:
I don't think naming him something that sounds like Wilhelm was a coincidence...

Fun fact, I did not name Grand Moff Tarkin "Wilhuff," but I added a 2nd "f" to the name and I was the Wookipedia administrator that made it official and eventually Star Wars.com recognized it as Canon.

I checked, trust me I checked. I very meticulously searched in the script, in the original novel, or any from of media and source material from 1977 on wards.

The final version of Grand Moff Tarkin was never officially given a first name.

But I loved the name some other mega fanboy gave to him (circa 2002), and while I have always been envious of how I never got to name him myself, I helped get that Canon ball rolling.

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Kryzbyn wrote:
baron arem heshvaun wrote:

I don't think I have ever posted this here before.

But if you ever wondered what high level Imperials would sound as voiced by Nazi officers, or how do you make the ultimate villains patriots sound even more Lawful Evil, here you are.

I love how General Tagge says "Kaiser" for The Emperor.

That was amazing...

It always brightens my day.


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Hama wrote:
Black Dougal wrote:
Sorry, this is slightly off topic but just watched SW Rebels and see Thrawn has 6 blue, 3 red and 3 orange/yellow bars on his insignia. Would that put him above Krenic and on the same level as Tarkin?
Militarily yeah, but not politically. Tarkin has more red pips. If I was paying attention to what baron was saying.

It does get tricksy.

** spoiler omitted **...

I thought it was Kath hound?

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Neks are far more vicious and territorial. (And have been around in fiction longer.)


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Cant. Stop. Laughing.

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