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Firstly, I'm really sorry if this has been covered elsewhere, but I did have a good look around first and couldn't find confirmation.
if someone could confirm whether I have this right or not, that would be awesome.
When a PC uses a piece of timeworn tech for the first time in that scenario, the item has a 50% chance of glitching.
Is that also the case for timeworn tech in their possession, I mean on their inventory list, bought, and all that. You roll the 50% chance each scenario. Is that right?
Thanks in advance for any help!
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From the
When a timeworn technological item is first in
a scenario, there’s a 50% chance that it will glitch.
Additionally, when using an item in a way that would drain
its last charge, there’s a 50% chance it will glitch. If an item
requires a d20 roll (such as a skill check or an attack roll) to
activate or use, it automatically glitches on a natural 1.
The glitch table is on the same page.
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As there is not determining the time off between scenarios it is probably assumed that there is a month off (especially when there is 3 weeks of travel written into an adventure) so you have to make the glitch check for every scenario. At least that's what I'm reading into it.
When a timeworn technological item is first used after a month or more of inactivity, there’s a 50% chance that it will glitch. Additionally, when using an item in a way that would drain its last charge, there’s a 50% chance it will glitch. If an item requires a d20 roll (such as a skill check or an attack roll) to activate or use, it automatically glitches on a natural 1.
"But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong" - Dennis Miller
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I think Sebastian Hirsch's quote from Guide to Organized play overrules Tamec's quote from Technology Guide.
From the
The glitch table is on the same page.When a timeworn technological item is first in
a scenario, there’s a 50% chance that it will glitch.
Additionally, when using an item in a way that would drain
its last charge, there’s a 50% chance it will glitch. If an item
requires a d20 roll (such as a skill check or an attack roll) to
activate or use, it automatically glitches on a natural 1.
I believe the line has a typo and is intended to say is "is first used in a scenario", meaning the first 50% glitch roll only happens in first scenario you use it and not every scenario you use it.
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You should also note that using an item in the scenario you found it will not impact the charges it has when you purchase it. You buy the item fresh from the sheet, meaning the one you buy will have it's first chance to glitch the first time you use it after that scenario.
You will need to check for a glitch upon picking it up and using it in the scenario but any glitches that occur during said scenario (additional charges lost or regained) don't carry over to the purchased item.
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... unless the item is already in use when you grab it. That's a little open to interpretation though.You should also note that using an item in the scenario you found it will not impact the charges it has when you purchase it. You buy the item fresh from the sheet, meaning the one you buy will have it's first chance to glitch the first time you use it after that scenario.
You will need to check for a glitch upon picking it up and using it in the scenario but any glitches that occur during said scenario (additional charges lost or regained) don't carry over to the purchased item.
What is there to interpret? Charges used on an item—whether magical or technological—during the course of the scenario—whether used by PC or NPC—do not reduce the number of charges the item has on the chronicle. Potions and scrolls consumed in the scenario appear on the chronicle. Weapons sundered or thrown into the Inner Sea appear on the chronicle. Technological or magical items that use their last charge appear on the chronicle unchanged.
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If the timeworn object is used by an NPC first, the glitch-per-month feature is already done and over with; a PC need not glitch under that circumstance.
Charges expended from a found timeworn item, like for any found charge/expendable item, do not count against what is found on the Chronicle sheet. Have fun with the treasure, and look at it as a way to try out a new toy before deciding whether or not to buy it later.
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If the timeworn object is used by an NPC first, the glitch-per-month feature is already done and over with; a PC need not glitch under that circumstance.
Charges expended from a found timeworn item, like for any found charge/expendable item, do not count against what is found on the Chronicle sheet. Have fun with the treasure, and look at it as a way to try out a new toy before deciding whether or not to buy it later.
The bad guys in Tapestry's Toil..(My next scenario). facing a 12 foot winged alchemist.. not so much.
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Again, I don't think there is any interpretation involved. Items on the chronicle are available as they appear on the chronicle.If the item is in use by an NPC, I don't believe it requires a glitch check when you continue using it.
That's the point that's subject to some interpretation, though.
Items on the chronicle are those on the chronicle and follow their normal rules.
I apologize. I thought you were saying that this is what was open to interpretation:
...any glitches that occur during said scenario (additional charges lost or regained) don't carry over to the purchased item.
You were saying the first part was open to interpretation.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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I think Sebastian Hirsch's quote from Guide to Organized play overrules Tamec's quote from Technology Guide.
From the
The glitch table is on the same page.When a timeworn technological item is first in
a scenario, there’s a 50% chance that it will glitch.
Additionally, when using an item in a way that would drain
its last charge, there’s a 50% chance it will glitch. If an item
requires a d20 roll (such as a skill check or an attack roll) to
activate or use, it automatically glitches on a natural 1.I believe the line has a typo and is intended to say is "is first used in a scenario", meaning the first 50% glitch roll only happens in first scenario you use it and not every scenario you use it.
Can we get clarification on this? I have been operating under the assumption that the glitch check for timeworn tech is done the first time each scenario, but others appear to believe otherwise. I think it's every scenario, but since I've got a character that picked up a timeworn tech item I would like to be certain. The rules for Timeworn Tech from the Tech Guide make it seem like it shoud be each scenario, but the rules in the GtOP are less clear.
Does a PC need to need to roll for a glitch the first time they use a piece of timeworn tech, or the first time they use that timeworn tech each scenario?
Additionally, the GtOP only has the glitch table for weapons, if a player has a timeworn tech item that isn't a weapon, what table do they roll on? I would assume they use the applicable table from the Tech Guide, since we are required to own the tech guide to use those items anyways, but I wanted to double check.
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Timeworn technology doesn't always work as intended. There's a 50% chance that timeworn items glitch under the following conditions.
When an item is first used after a month or more of inactivity.
There's an indeterminate amount of time between scenarios, which is rather convenient for recharging staves, crafting alchemical items (for alchemist PCs), performing Day Job checks, and having one's equipment upgraded. Page 23 of the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play even references recharge rates of 1/week and 1/month effectively being 1/scenario. Unfortunately, this is a little rough for timeworn weapons, which start each scenario as though it had been a month or more since it was last used; as a result the first use per scenario has the 50% chance to trigger a glitch.
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I would restrict that to series where there is a specific rule / boon tied to playing the scenarios back to back. For example, the scenarios
But I wouldn't be upset if a GM at a different table (for example: The Devil you know series) ruled either way.
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I have a minor question regarding the timeworn technology. I personally do not own the Technology Guide, but have GMed multiple scenario's where technological timeworn items are used. Can the GM/player simply assume that timeworn weapons have 50% of not working properly instead of consulting to the glitch table each time that weapon glitches? Unless I misunderstood it, you have to use the pretty large table each time that glitch happens. This isn't very practical and consumes a lot of time if GM/player isn't prepared.
I apologize upfront if I misunderstood something within the rules.
Adam
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I have a minor question regarding the timeworn technology. I personally do not own the Technology Guide, but have GMed multiple scenario's where technological timeworn items are used. Can the GM/player simply assume that timeworn weapons have 50% of not working properly instead of consulting to the glitch table each time that weapon glitches? Unless I misunderstood it, you have to use the pretty large table each time that glitch happens. This isn't very practical and consumes a lot of time if GM/player isn't prepared.
I apologize upfront if I misunderstood something within the rules.
Adam
Also note that the rules for weapon glitches appear in the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play on page 28, and the entire set of tables is available on the Pathfinder Reference Document. Please use these or the Technology Guide itself when resolving glitches.
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I would disagree with that ruling as it disadvantages those who don't play frequently.Another option would be for a player using Timeworn technology to keep track on their chronicle sheets when they use their TW devices, and use "real time" to track whether it's been a month or not.
That said, I like the simplicity of Robert's suggestion.
I agree with you - another reason why I like Robert's idea of just making it every scenario unless it's a one-two or a special circumstance (GM discretion) where the PC has clearly gone from Scenario/Module X to Scenario/Module Y on a shortened time frame.
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Apologies if this is too basic a question but my reading of the Tech Guide has me still wondering the following question:
Are timeworn items with charges one-shot items that are useless when expended? I've never had a character in PFS buy one but I'm looking at a few now that I received the first Iron Gods chronicle sheet in a recent game...
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Thank you. At half price they still appear to be a terrible waste then.
Eh, maybe. Optimal for a long career? No, probably not. But they can be situationaly awesome. I played with a PC who had gotten a chainsaw from some chronicle or another. 3d6 (18-20/x2) and only uses one charge an hour. Most of the ranged weapons target touch. I personally happened to get a Trauma Pack on a character who was really, really good at the Heal skill. I only ended up using it once, so it wasn't a "good investment," but it was pretty awesome to throw out something like 7d8+7 healing.
And they are most definitely fun to pull out at a table.
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I hear ya... they're really pulling at me for the fun factor... just bummed out they're one shot items considering how every gp counts in PFS.At one point, the budget isn't a worry so the player can afford to dump gold pieces onto it. Situational items often follow the trend of being better but only for a short amount of time.
True. I have high level Cavalier and Fighter which could splurge some gold on these goodies, but I'm just worried a bit about playing understrength for my character and peeving off the other players at the table (due to these characters having weapon focus, weapon specialization, etc.)
I am currently building 'weapon-neutral' PCs i.e. whose feats will be of use regardless of which weapon is used. Like a barbarian or swashbuckler with power attack / weapon finesse (respectively) but no weapon focus in anything... this way the path is clear to use with any fun stuff they find in the future... like a chainsaw or some kind of laser baton thingy... :P